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The Thom Hartmann Program - Thursday - August 2

By Louise Hartmann

 

Guest: Dan Gainor Topic Thom will be challenging conservative Dan Gainor on his statement - The media's solution to "wrong" behavior like smoking, drinking and eating junk food is putting a tax on cigarettes, alcohol, and unhealthy foods...

 

Guest: Christy Harvey www.americanprogress.org Topic: News Below the Radar

 

The Best of the Rest of the News with Ron Brynaert www.rawstory.com & Mark Karlin www.buzzflash.com

 

 

That and your calls right here on The Thom Hartmann Program - Fair and Slightly Unbalanced…

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Woo hoo, I'm first today

Okay, here's a joke.

 

Alexander the Great, Napoleon and Louis the 15th are hanging out in the astral plane.

 

They decide to visit earth, not having been back in a while.  All being great military generals, they decide to go see the war in Iraq.

 

They are just amazed by all the modern inventions.

 

"Wow," says Alexandeer the Great, "If I had had just a few of these airplanes I could have conquered all of India!"

 

"No kidding," says Louis the 15th, "if I had had just a few of these tanks I could have ended the Seven Years War in just weeks!"

 

"Incrible!" says Napoleon.  "And if I would have had Fox News nobody would have ever heard of my defeat in Russia!" 

Thanks for the Joke

LOL, thanks for the joke!  I had just finished writing MSNBC and CNN about thier sensationalism of the bridge collapse and how refreshing it would be if they covered the horrific events a bit less and intersparsed in some other news.  As I mentioned to them, most adult Americans can keep up with many news stories at once, especially when  (cue up new bridge collapse graphic and somber music) there is little to no new news to report , and how their coverage is almost obscene as they scan for images of blood and destruction to plaster on the screen.  How sad for the worried and traumatized city. I live in Roanoke VA just 30 minutes from Blacksburg.  I know many who work, go to school at VT, and hang out there alot over my lifetime. But those of us in the area were turning off the MSM after the first day because they had nothing new to report and it felt more like an obscene exercise of who could get the most gory story or pictures to share.  So I would watch my local news channel knowing they would report real news and developments and they tempered it with respect knowing you can only figuratively look at the bodies in a car wreck so many times before you don't see the people as humans but as entertaining objects (in the TV world).  Sadly the MSM is doing the same today with this tragedy.

So you made me chuckle despite the biting truth of the joke on this hot summer morning.  Thank you!

Peace All!

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lost that bet

I had bet my partner bush would blame Clinton for the bridge collapse, he blamed the Dems instead.  it's God's will that it's the dems fault..The Radical Fringe toons (new one every day)  http://www.comicssherpa.com/site/feature?uc_comic=cscwc - sign up for free e-mail subscription

Given that Thom eliminated the standard excuses

I guess its time to blame Clinton.  The boys are busy spinning that up.

enjoy

Not as important as the bridge falling down

But, do you believe this?

http://rareseeds.com/seeds/Tomatoes-Red/Rouge-D-Irak

Seems our colonial power in Iraq has decreed that Iraqis aren't allowed to save seeds but have to buy seeds from international corporations.

This was posted on Democratic Underground dot com

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x106789

For the love of God, they're messing with tomato seeds! 

"Sometimes hipness is what it ain't"

re:Not as important as the bridge falling down

It's a corporate wet dream to own our food and water supply, control our elections and privatize and merge our media and military.  Then all of these corporations can be bought out by the same private equity firms owned by a few pasty faced nazis.  Imagine the power to wreck havoc in form of ethnic cleansing and humanitarian crisis on just about anybody anywhere in the world any time...hard to trace  privatized genocide on demand!  now that's power...white power ;)

 

seeds- the evil Empire

Monsanto!  Monsanto.. the company that demands all seeds must be controlled.  The most evil company even over the energy companies because they want to control the most basic right of people, the right to feed themselves. The company that pressured the media when they originally tried to cover their policy of forcing farmers to sign pledges they would not keep seeds produced from their crops.  Took a bunch of women in India to stand up to them and proclaim the right to exchange seeds is a basic human right, of course that was India.  Wish I had time to research the details, I'll try later.

Just great

Are they going to send around armed thugs to kick in my door to see if I have contraband seeds?

I swear, if I knew someone in Iraq, I'd buy some of those seeds and send them over there.  I hope to heaven Iraqis are saving seeds despite the ban.

"Sometimes hipness is what it ain't"

Thats why its important to grow some of your own food

It keeps you in touch with the Earth.

That's nuttin, HUMAN ANIMAL PLANT HYBRIDS are the FUTURE ...

If nanotech bio research, stem cell, can only be done in secret DoD labs by contractors sworn to secrecy ( like the FAA officials that cut up the AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL audio tapes then distributed the fragments to trash cans all around the building on 9/11 ), who will get the patents for the amphibious chameleon dolphin Venus fly trap cactus bionic warriors that will be the next big thing at international weapons trade shows in 2012 when the NEOCON PROTO FASCISTS are BORN AGAIN???

Did Orwell, or Nostradamus predict that too?

Do you think the GWoT or GWoDrugs are just code names for GWoTheMiddeClass?

DONT ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!

LPSZ said it better...

then I can, but I grow tomatos at home and I don't want people controling my food any more then they do now.

Yea I hear ya, I've got a one track mind, blah blah blah

Let's talk about macro economics, or national infrastructure Apollo energy projects, yada yada yada ...

The 12 BILLION BEING SPENT IN IRAQ PER MONTH, that we can talk about later. ( It's just funny money. Print some more to fix the bridges, give everybody health insurance vouchers, full college grant vouchers, VERI CHIP IMPLANT NATIONAL ID CARDS for their own protection, why don't cha? )

The fact that nothing meaningful will ever get past the shrub while Rove has dirt on the GOP & DINO BLUE DOGS, unless IMPEACHMENT IS STARTED IMMEDIATELY, we can wait on that too.

The Walter Reed VA situation and projections out 10 years for the Iraq Occupation, the probable IRAN BOMBING campaign triggered by a false flag attack followed by continuity of govt with BLACKWATER SS on the streets un US CITIES, that really isn't as important as August recess.

The bridge collapse is CRITICAL, nevermind Scooters TREASON AUTHORIZED by our "ELECTED" leaders who still think they will be honored at their funerals the way Reagan was for single-handedly taking down the Berlin Wall while suffering debilitating dementia at the same time the VP ran IRAN-CONTRA cultivated UBL then brought us Desert Storm based on a diplomat's miscommunication regarding Kuwait's Halliburton SLANT DRILLING. HURRAY!!!!!!!

6+ killed in a spooky ironic catastrophic structural bridge failure, OMG!!! The sky is falling, as Rummy said about HENNY PENNY many many many moons ago ..

Send your congressman a thank you note for all they've done to STOP THE INSANITY THAT IS ARMAGEDDON PAID FOR WITH COST PLUS NO BID CONTRACTS. Throw one on the barby for the Gipper.

Please post link to the news release on Minnesota Gov's veto

I'd love to send this to some of my friends.

The new meme for network news ...

If it bleeds, it leads.

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Of course the New Right is wrong ... but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT.

blackwater

wasn't there some news that Blackwater might be bought by the Chinese?  Would they still have the land in LA and CA  if sold to a foreign country?    How would that work since it is illlegal for them to exist on American soil?

   

time to leave USA?

oh- everyday becomes less and less bearable........

Bush blames democrats what leadership blasphemy

Can you beleive this bastard? The days just aren't going fast enough to get rid of this child king. He doesn't even care about the loss of human life - all he can do is say "Mommy- the democrats pulled my hair...."

Thank God there are places to let steam off in blogs-  I did call my Fox watching ill informed mother who hadn't heard anything about the bridge - yet Fox was on in her room....incredible but Thom. you have answered many of our cries about when will the republicans get it--- and as you say-- when it affects them-- God pray this is it.

PS Where is Al Franken this morning! - we need to hear from him!

Beware of Wednesdays

Three consecutive Wednesdays of calamities in major cities:

July 18th - Steam pipe explosion in New York.
July 25th - Gas tank explosion in Dallas.
Aug 1st - Bridge collapse in Minneapolis.

re:Beware of Wednesdays

Looks like al qaeda woodo contractors are in office on Wednesdays.

who needs terrorists?

we have bush and the republicans - destroying our country one target at a time

The Radical Fringe toons:

http://www.comicssherpa.com/site/feature?uc_comic=cscwc

bless your patience with this idiot you are interviewing

private has incentive to profit in a direction we do not want to work   Heartland Institute guy is mentally retarded!

Thom says profits and this guy says...

"do you want rigged contracts."  Hey, we go both now: corporations are making huge profits on no-bid contracts; and, from my point of view, they're doing a lousy job of it.

Its Republican "Stag-flation." 

Franken...

Airheadress - FYI, Al Franken will be on Letterman tonight. 

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Of course the New Right is wrong ... but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT.

privately owned roads, bridges, airports, .....

That will allow discrimination on who can use.   Public use is different from private use.   There are private roads that exist already and they are restricted.    Selling off these assets would be a one time gain and a future continued loss.    Selling these off would be giving up the investment that has been placed in these 'commons' since they were originally started and maintained.  

I agree that we need to ensure the maintenance of commons, irrespective of taxes, we also need a GAO type administration of these things to bar favoritism, current party, and hopefully other interests that are not for the common good as opposed to specific groups. 

Karl Rove Blows Off Subpeona & Busch Admin 's"Helpless" Strategy

Of course Corporate MSM coverage is going to be wall to wall on the tragedy of the bridge collapse.

Pushes every other story of import off the screen, like Karl Rove displaying his contempt for our Congress today by not obeying the command he received to apear in front of that body.

Interesting thing happened with White House Aide, J. Scott Jennings, who *did* show up.

He made a point of stating that he was 'only 29 years old.' at the outset of his non-testimony, as if, for some reason that meant a young shark like that swims in Karl Rove's waters is a frail and gentle creature that should be treated gingerly, because, like, if he was questioned too harshly, he might break down and cry, being that he's such a sensitive guy that knows how to quote Homeric verse describing a tough situation, instead of just saying 'rock and a hard place'.

I'm so impressed.

Not. 

Sara Taylor played this meek and mild Scarlett O'Hara, 'delicate flower' bit last month as well when she non-testified to Congress and presented herself repeatedly as a humble little girl who might have been in over her head, just like poor little Monica Goodling.

Right, and the main requirement that Big Dick Cheney was looking for in his Chief of Staff position when he was looking to fill it was that they had to be a 'nice guy, beloved by children and small animals' which is how Scooter Libby's supporters portayed him.

What is up with these people? 

They want to run the world, but yet can't stand up to a few impertinent questions?

What wimps. 

~Nyc Alberts, Digital Components
I'd Rather Be A Matin' Than A Hatin'

Give the poor guy a tissue...

its breaking my heart to see a maligned civil servant being sent to the scary capital woods, where big bad congressmen wait to threaten them.  Oh, my!  Lions, tigers, and bears!

Regarding The Cigar Tax

Thom,

Both you and your guest missed some important points regarding this policy proposal.

1) The reason there is a proposal on the table to help fund SCHIP with cigar tax funds is that the Democrats enacted PAYGO, which means that to pay the expansion of this vital program, these folks actually have to find a way to pay for it rather than to just whip out their Visa as Congress has done for the past six years.

2) This proposal is not just some wild scheme that the Democrats pulled out of their arses. It was initiated by lobby groups in Washington representing medical insurance companies. The righties will insist on making it seem like those tax-and-spend Democrats are to blame. But the truth is that this proposal CAME FROM INDUSTRY ITSELF. In fact, kids, it was a REPUBLIGOAT, not a Democrat, who introduced this thing.  

3) These dunderheads need to stop quoting the $10 per cigar figure like it's gospel. It's simply not the most common scenario for this proposed tax. It's the ceiling, not the required minimum. Using that figure as the quoted norm for this proposal is absurd.

http://www.ketchupisavegetable.net
http://www.leftblogistan.com

The proposed cigar tax would be 53%...

with a $10 maximum, which would apply, according to my figures, to cigars selling for $18.86 and up.

Dan Gainor

The market place will control peoples behavior.

The state should'nt regulate things like day cares. Regulations like how much staff per child or requiring straps on changing tables. The market will take care of it.

Scenario: Mom 1: "I take my child to Acme day care. They only drop children on their heads twice a week, not like XYZ day care where they drop them on their heads five times a week." Mom 2: "Well I take my child to XYZ day care, because they charge $10.00 less than Acme."

The market place can take care of everthing! 

to organize into functioning social groups

Some hold a principle that we are individuals independent of each other and it is not appropriate for us to organize into functioning social groups for our common goals.  This principle is held in the face of human history, rising as a community, creating cultures, and even the establishment of the religions these people follow. Oddly these folks will often hold that the social organization of business into large international corporations is not contrary to this principle. Collective economic activity is the sustenance of our communities. It is what separates us from unsuccessful small family units struggling against hostile natural environments. Their fundamental flaw is that they deny the community from which they come, as if they would even exist were it not for these social organizations that brought them forth.  dan

New FISA bill a sham

 I suspect the "negotiations" on the new FISA bill are a sham. It doesn't matter what the bill says or how many safeguards are built in. The whole point, the ONLY point is to get a FISA bill in front of George Bush that he can add a signing statement to. The end result will be unlimited domestic spying without any oversight. And the Roberts Court will back Bush up.

-Mark 

http://bluehorde.blogspot.com

someone broke the real player stream

If you listen to Air America on the web you may notice that the real player stream now requires you to use air america's own player. This sucks, does anyone have a new url to replace the old broken one please!!!! If you know how to create one send me the url I want to learn as well thanks

Reply to charholly9

jj Gudat   This is what we do, we log onto NovaM, click the yellow listen live, and it gives you a choose of streaming methods. You can also hear Stephie in the mornin, and ALL of Malloy. Hope that helps 

not so much celebrity as *image*

Pat Tillman was not so much a celebrity as an IMAGE..a positive one, that people could relate to. Calling him a celebrity in this day and age just cheapens him, I think...like drapes him with bling bling and tawdryness.  He is the first person to die that we really can put a face to in this war...and now with three bullet holes in this face...the American public can finally visualize what is happening, what we have wrought.  It is more substantial than "Celebrity".

Not over the top...

just not executed well.  The sign lettering wasn't big enough.  Pervert: O.K. thats a little over.

Bill O' deserves all the pubilic humiliation he receives.  His vailed threats of a Goon Squad vistit to his enemies: thats over the top! 

Cigar Tax?!??!

You gotta be kidding me. 

I buy my cigarette tobacco by the pound in New York City, and it costs less than $20.00 a pound, with all Federal, State and Local taxes paid, whereas marijuana retails in the United States for a minimum of $5k a pound.

What's really being taxed here?

~Nyc Alberts, Digital Components
I'd Rather Be A Matin' Than A Hatin'

whistle blowers identified as 'bad' people under Bush

When they started going after the whistle blowers to prevent them from being protected and from having their allegations invested, or transferring to non-existing government offices -- out of door! Then the corruption escalated!   Oversight being ignored and ostracized by Bush Administration is the cause!

distortions started with Reagan

and all the things Thom listed, but ALSO, caused from no PUSHBACK from the Dems.

I don't Trust the Democrats Any Better Than I do Republicans

It seems to me, as a 65 year old man who has never failed to vote in an election, that both the Republicans and the Democrats are beholden to the Corporate Interests that control America. I watched Bill Clinton just GIVE the election to the Republicans. Then I watched as Al Gore failed to question the Republican theft of the Presidential vote. Personally, I'm a wondering if it isn't already too late? The Constitution has been torn to shreds and there is no one to save it!

Alright, so Christy Harvey

Alright, so Christy Harvey really makes one think.  Which is a big boon for me, as I try to avoid that as much as possible.  Here are the reasons:

1) She reminded me that two days ago some chick wearing high heels and a rather large cloud of Chernobyl perfume fell over while entering a convenience store that I frequent in order to secure Milwaukee's Best Light.  The lady lost her shoe, halfway ripped her skirt, and was very appreciative when I helped her recover the shoe and reorient the mat.  Samaritans live life large.  Like people who eat Purina One.

2) I also am once again struggling with the fact that I'm not an homosexual male, and still have to tolerate voices like hers.  Insights abound, and our collective personal journey is blah blah whatthehell shell mell what's going on I hate my parents and here's what I think about China and Pittsburg.  Like that.

and finally,

3)  Jello shots will never die.  Despite Bill Cosby's sweaters.  Keep the jello alive, Christy.  *fist in air*

 

    - Tromper 

Pledge: No False Flags or Martial Law

While politicians such as Cheney might be involved in ordering a false flag, it is folks in the military and police that will either carry it out -- or, if it is private contractors as opposed to active-duty military/law enforcement who would be tasked to carry it out -- in the best position to stop it.

So let's present a pledge card to every member of the military, law enforcement, and also politicians which says that they pledge:

- They will protect and defend the American people and the Constitution

- They will not themselves carry out a false flag attack

- They will not help others to carry out a false flag

- They will do everything in their power to stop others from conducting a false flag

Print and cut out a stack of pledge cards (cut on the dotted lines). Then go to your local congress person, military base, police station, and have them all sign the pledge. If you know anyone working for an intelligence service, the FBI, or other non-military agency, have them sign a pledge card also.

Ask your local city council to pass a resolution against the use of false flag operations, for the Constitution, and against the imposition of martial law.

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/08/pledge-no-false-flags.html

Tank Commander Negotiates Terms of His Surrender

Despite the one-day notice, about 400-500 people came to the Westwood Federal Building to protest the start of the second U.S. attack on the people of Fallujah, which had been officially launched on the previous day.

About 7:30pm, two tanks barreled past going East on Wilshire, rounded the corner onto Veteran going South, and disappeared.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/11/118943.php

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/11/24_tankcommandernegotiatestermsofhissurrender.jpgmid.jpg

To e-mail to my Representatives:

jj Gudat
" Since When? " : "I want it, I want it" is a childs song on an alblum produced by Marlo Thomas!!
    Who gave it to Bush? Why and since when does the House and Senate ask how high? when he sings it. Exactly who do you WORK FOR Bush or 'We the People'? 

Numbers.

I think that everyone here would agree that $36 an hour is a good wage. (Depending on the job and where you live.) That's $1,442 a week. What I don't think people realize that people who make $3,000,000 a year make that $1,442 in 1(ONE) hour. Now I would agree that high taxes are a bad thing for most people. But if say to most Americans in the US, "We was to raise taxes on people who make more then $1,442 an hour," they would agree. I think that it's hard for people to understand how much $3m a year is.

the-iraq-war-totally-the-best-way-to-spend-3-734-a-second

 Iraq spending:  $10 billion/month, $323 million a day, $13.4 million an hour, $224,014 a minute,  $3,734 dollars every single second - from source:

http://foxattacks.bravenewfilms.org/blog/5301-the-iraq-war-totally-the-b...

It's $12B/mo now. INFLATION. GOT GAS?

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Say NO to Pawlenty...

I work for MN/DOT, and we have gone from a very vibrant department, recognized world wide for our leadeship, to what amounts to a second rate follower with a very demoralized and overworked workforce. This is the result of the politics of our Governor and Lt. Governor/Transportation Commissioner. The four years under that moron Ventura did not help matters any either.

Our department staffing - with the exception of management, of course - has been cut to the bone over the past 8 years. We do not have the manpower to properly live up to our mission statement, if it still actually exists; I have not heard a word about it in years. In the winter, we have about 100 snowplows sitting idle statewide because we have'nt the people to drive them. Management's idea for making up the deficit of drivers is to get desk drivers to plow snow. Our Bridge inspectors have been complaining for a few years now that we are in a crisis relative to the conditiion of our bridges, with no funding to properly maintain them. In the meantime Pawlenty keeps borrowing money for huge highly visible construction projects, and patting himself on the back for all of the projects we have going while leaving a financial time bomb for the next Governor to deal with. Our roads are like swiss cheese and many will need major repairs when we finally get someone who is willing to fund their maintenance. Our Union, AFSCME, has been trying to get the message out, but mostly they preach to the choir. A very small choir at that.

A majority of the citizens of this state wanted to see a gas tax increase - we have not had one since 1988. Our legislature passed it in the transportaion budget. Our illustrious Governor vetoed it because he has taken a pledge to the Minnesota Taxpayers' League, a cabal of rich folks mostly from the western suburbs of the Twin Cities, who probably wouldn't know a tax if it bit them. Because of this veto, MN/DOT is operating under a 'lights on' budget for the next two years. This has also cost MN/DOT matching funds from US/DOT. To see him stand there and talk about his concern and how we need to have inspections statewide, just pisses me off. It is so cynical. He has not cared up to now, but since he is hoping for national office, he is trying to shine up his image. Don't forget, this is the guy who forced an unprecedented shutdown of the Government  two years ago.

Fellow Air Americans, DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS MAN, if he were to be elected to the White House - a residence to which he reportedly aspires - we'll see more of the same that we have had for the past 7 years. All he cares about is his rich base of supporters. Watch this guy in the coming years and just say NO.

tax on cigarettes, alcohol, and unhealthy foods...

 why tax these items?  is it for health concerns?  no - the real reason is these items are easily taxed with little protest from the public.  it's an easy way to raise revenues. supposedly, revenue from these items is to be used for a specific purpose.  Our social security taxes are suppose to pay for social security benefits, but as we know, it's frequently raided to pay for things other than social security.   The same will happen with revenues from tobacco, alcohol etc. - monies will be "borrowed" , shifted around to pay for pork and eventually the taxes will have to be raised again to pay for the original purpose.         The Radical Fringe toons:
http://www.comicssherpa.com/site/feature?uc_comic=cscwc

Heartland Institute guy from Illinois extremely misleading!

Illinois does not have budget problems now because of the  corruption that the Heartland Institute guy mentioned (largely Republican corruption in recent memory).  Thirty years of Republican state government starved this state.  Under Dems, things are looking up.  But cleaning up after elephants is not pretty.

Second, this guy and others are engaging in post hoc propter hoc reasoning.  There was no indication of structural problems with the bridge, he says, therefore inaction was justified.  Well, obviously it had structural problems so, if his allegation is true, then it's time to change the definition of structural problems!

Show Notes

Thursday 02 August '07

Today's show notes.

The terrible disaster yesterday in Minneapolis St. Paul, when the Interstate 35W bridge collapsed, and our hearts go out to the people of that community; it's extraordinary to see how the community pulled together, the heroic stories, Americans pitching in.

News release from the Heartland Institute a couple of hours before the bridge collapsed: "Minnesota Governor Wields Veto to Protect Taxpayers".

Guest: Congressman Peter DeFazio. He's a member of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure.

Guest: Steve Stanek, managing editor of Budget & Tax News, Heartland Institute, which issued the news release that Thom quoted from.

Whatever happened to the idea that taxes are the membership you pay for membership of a civil society?

Guest: Dan Gainor, Director of the Business & Media Institute. "Sin" taxes.

Guest: Ron Brynaert, Executive Editor, Raw Story.

Guest: Mark Karlin, BuzzFlash.

Guest: Christy Harvey, Director of Strategic Communications at the Center for American Progress. News Below the Radar.

Guest: Jeff Ruch, Executive Director of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). Karl Rove helping Gordon Smith get reelected by diverting water and causing a massive salmon kill.

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