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The Thom Hartmann Program - Jan 31 2008

By Louise Hartmann

 

Hour One - Guest: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend Topic: Super Tuesday, tonight's Democratic candidates debate, and the differences between Obama and Clinton

 

Hour Two - Guest: Evan Moore http://www.cnsnews.com  Topic: Thom will be challenging Evan on his concern about the Focus The Nations Global Warming events today throughout college campus'

 

Hour Three - Guest Mark Green http://www.airamerica.com/ Topic: Tonight's debate, Super Tuesday

 

Guest: Christy Harvey www.americanprogress.org http://www.americanprogress.org/  Topic: News Under the Radar

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The rest of WHO?

Does anyone else find it odd to hear a Kennedy drawing distinctions between "the very wealthy" and "the rest of ... US"?  :roll: 

 
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Of course the New Right is wrong ... but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT.

relatives don't always share bank accounts

My familiy tree has some richer branches but my branch is pretty bare! : )  
The wealth doesn't always filter to the whole family.   I don't expect any inheritance even from my dad since he remarried.  That is pretty much most families.
Didn't Paris Hilton recently get cut out of her grandparents will??   

**BINGO**

that should set off **alarm bells**

& generate THIS question in your mind, "was this announcement addressed TO ME? or someone who LIKES class divisions???

to WHOM are politicians speaking in their announcements?

we're fools if we think its always addressed to *all* the Peoples.

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bomb, bomb, bomb ....

the new lyrics to Barbara Ann aside, didn't McCain back off from stopping the torture??  He started out against torture until he decided to support torture. 
 
What is this about a bad joke about Chelsea from McCain?   I know the Gibson did stop people from attacking her on his show although there were no stops on talking against the Clintons.  
 
 

Sharing the planet

Even if they dispute who caused global warming, shouldn't we be doing what we can to protect our home?   I mean, farmers determined that loosing trace minerals harmed soil.  So they fixed it! 
Doesn't this fall under the same thing?   We need energy sources that are renewable, not those that depend on limited resources.  PERIOD! 
 
The Arctic is thawing.  Drastically!   Something is wrong and it needs to be fixed.

Lore, did you hear

 about the latest findings in Antartica?  Some scientists blasted through the ice, and what did they discover?  Water?  No landmass at all. 

 

I completely agree with you.  And, not only was the loss of trace minerals damaging to the soil, it was also damaging for us.  We depend on these trace minerals from our food.  Their loss meant ours nutritionally.

invest that 'Bush Bonus' aka "loan + debt national burden"

& tell people to *get a solar panel*

think about it.

now THAT is LOCAL & RENEWABLE energy independence!

Does anybody care if Bangladesh drowns? - the online activist & documentary event hosted by The Real News
Afsan Chowdhury talks on climate change, environmental refugees and the Bali conference

was hosted on Fri.7.Dec.07

Afsan Chowdhury is a journalist and communications development expert based in Dhaka, Bangladesh and Toronto, Canada. Director of the film "Climate Change - Does anybody care who if Bangladesh drowns?," he is also Director of Advocacy and Human Rights

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NEITHER Dem is perfect: focus on election integrity & protest

What do you know about the FBI's international Server in the Sky Project?

are we concerned enough about our diminishing *freedoms*, *privacy & right to peaceful assembly?

perhaps the knee-jerk minutiae of the election coverage is less important than...
focusing on the issues upon which Busheviks engage to diminish our impact in Democracy.

to diminish our **right to secure elections** (can you say ARRIVE WITH FIVE ?)
to diminish our **ability to organize**
to diminish our **right to peaceful assembly without militarized dispersal.

There will be a very LONG LOOK by the Busheviks to see if there is *any fight left in us*.

EVERY PUBLIC mention of the SPP, WTO & cop 'direction' against peaceful assembly is...
...ONE LESS RUBBER BULLET
...ONE LESS chemical burn
...ONE LESS tazering
...ONE LESS protester who catches a beatdown from militarized cops who got freaked out by putting on that SWAT GEAR & hearing OUR government & corporate instructions to **get rid of those protesters**

Don't believe me? watch the brief video on the Swiss cop response to peace protesters @ the G8Aubonne Bridge Action. Watch the coverage of the Montebello SPP 2007 & the *national Canadian coverage* revealing how cops were *caught on video* using agent provocateurs caught inciting justification for a militarized response to PEACEFUL anti-SPP & peace protesters... which didn't stop them from gassing us, anyway.
what really happened in New Orleans housing protests? or during Katrina?
...the Republican NYC lockdown?
...WTO Seattle?
...WTO Miami? OAXACA?

the time grows short for us to fritter away Canadian & American Rights to Peaceful Assembly... let's be honest, we're gonna look like Mexico if they get their way. garsh, maybe that's why they had that SPP conference in CANCUN. Have you ever been to RURAL Yucatán? that's some freaking POOR & disenfranchized... & exactly what Busheviks want FOR ALL OF THE AMERICAS.

Returning to the scene of the crime: New Orleans to host 2008 SPP summit
January 29, 2008 , Posted by Stuart Trew

According to President Bush in his final State of the Union address last night, the next SPP summit will take place in New Orleans this April.

"Tonight the armies of compassion continue the march to a new day in the Gulf Coast," said Bush, referring to the record number of charitable and faith-based groups filling in where the U.S. goverment continues to pull out of social service provision and disaster recovery plans.

"America honors the strength and resilience of the people of this region. We reaffirm our pledge to help them build stronger and better than before. And tonight I'm pleased to announce that in April we will host this year's North American Summit of Canada, Mexico, and the United States in the great city of New Orleans."

At a press briefing prior to Bush's speech, Ed Gillespie said the President chose the location, "to demonstrate how this great American city of New Orleans is rebounding, and is resilient."

Resilient, sure, but according to an Associated Press article today: "Rent has increased by over 40 per cent since the disaster. About half of the homeowners who were promised money from the federally funded and state run Road Home program have yet to see their grants. And the Federal Emergency Management Agency's efforts to rebuild infrastructure have been mired in bureaucratic delays."

There is also the ugly fact that the levies in New Orleans might never have failed had it not been for Bush's invasion of Iraq, which after 2003 soaked up desperately needed flood-control dollars that should have gone to the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project.

The symbolism is overwhelming, as Naomi Klein can attest. Her most recent book, The Shock Doctrine, speaks at length about how in New Orleans, like in Iraq, the Bush administration outsources almost every normal government function, including hurricane relief, to the point where private companies soak up almost all of the relief cash, even charitable donations.

It's as if the government courts disaster in order to create "blank slates" on which to create private-sector paradises, suggests Klein in her book.

"One year ago, New Orleans's working-class and poor citizens were stranded on their rooftops waiting for help that never came, while those who could pay their way escaped to safety," wrote Klein in The Nation on August 29, 2006. "The country's political leaders claim it was all some terrible mistake, a breakdown in communication that is being fixed. Their solution is to go even further down the catastrophic road of 'private-sector solutions.'"

In other words, New Orleans is a perfect location for governmenet executives, top bureaucrats and big business leaders to gather to discuss a new corporate vision for North America through the SPP.

On her website in December, Klein quoted Kali Akuno, executive director of the People's Hurricane Relief Fund, from a clip out of a Democracy Now documentary about the recent police crackdown on citizens in New Orleans.

According to a description of the documentary: "The New Orleans City Council has unanimously voted to move ahead with the demolition of 4,500 units of public housing. Under the plan, the city’s four largest public housing developments will be razed and replaced with mixed-income housing. Hundreds of people were turned away from the City Council meeting. Police shot protesters with pepper spray and tasers."

"This is just one particular piece of this whole program," says Akuno in the film. "Public hospitals are also being shut down and set to be demolished and destroyed in New Orleans. And they've systematically dismantled the public education system and beginning demolition on many of the schools in New Orleans--that's on the agenda right now--and trying to totally turn that system over to a charter and a voucher system, to privatize and just really go forward with a major experiment, which was initially laid out by the Heritage Foundation and other neoconservative think tanks shortly after the storm. So this is just really the fulfillment of this program."

Canadian, U.S. and Mexican groups will be mobilizing to oppose the bigger experiment called the SPP when our leaders meet in New Orleans this April.

Click here to read a letter to Prime Minster Harper demanding a debate on the SPP, which was signed by Maude Barlow (Council of Canadians), David Suzuki, Ken Georgetti (Canadian Labour Congress), and Maher Arar and Monia Mazigh.

ACTION ALERT: No SPP summit in New Orleans

To read Naomi Klein's op-ed in The Nation on the last SPP summit in Montebello, called "Big Brother Democracy," click here.

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Waging the war at home: The Manley Report
January 23, 2008, Posted by Brent Patterson & Stuart Trew
In October last year, Toronto Star columnist Thomas Walkom wrote that the members of Harper's handpicked Independent Panel on Canada's Future Role in Afghanistan proved that the war is not about Afghanistan, "It is about the U.S." Four of the five appointees, "have been intimately involved with the problems of Canada-U.S. relations, and in particular with the campaign to convince Americans that Canada is not soft on terror," he wrote.

TW: has ANY American noticed yet that NATO is under strain **BECAUSE of US disproportional demands upon NATO allies in Afghanistan**?
no? has anybody noticed that Canada has been directed by the US Afghan NATO leadership to turn over Afghans to US-trained Afghan torture facilities? That all of NATO recognizes that Canada has been *abandoned* in Helmand Province? a place where Canadians take UP TO 6X the casualty & fatality proportional rates than US forces in Iraq?

?? what was the US MSM response when Canada decided they could *no longer obey Afghanistan's US-directed NATO leadership*? we're now being accused of not taking enough prisoners
well, you should... 'cuz its important... I mean, do you really believe the Busheviks lied about *everything but Afghanistan*? really? gee, does anybody find it funny that Tora Bora shook out the way it did? or how about Bhutto catching a freaking bullet after mentioning Bin Laden might not be the shit we've been sold?
seriously... do you believe that NATO is on a feminist rescue mission?
or a drug intervention?

its freaking NATO, people. & its falling apart.
Senlis Council: "Following US Policies Is Turning Canadian Military Operation In Afghanistan Into A Suicide Mission"

Senlis Council recommends replacing opium farming & encouraging economic support for Afghanistan to grow anti-malaria herb, Artemisin

Soldier killed in Afghanistan identified as Sapper Etienne Gonthier, 21, of PQ
By The Canadian Press, Thu.24.Jan.08
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - The name of the soldier killed by a roadside bomb south of Kandahar on Wednesday has been released.

Twenty-one-year-old Sapper Etienne Gonthier died during a road-clearing operation. Two others were injured in the blast. Gonthier, a combat engineer born in Quebec City, was based in Valcartier, Que., with the 5ieme Regiement du Genie de Combat.

He is the 78th Canadian soldier to die in Afghanistan since the Canadian mission began in 2002.

The two injured soldiers have been released from hospital and have returned to duty.

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completely disgusted with Politics

I really appreciate hearing the interesting commentary about the differences between Clinton and Obama by Ms. Kennedy Townsend.

 

I have been a political junkie since my freshman year in college, but  increasingly I am disgusted with the whole process after seeing the way the 2008 election has been run!  It's just not fun anymore! 
 

 It just feels like the corporate media decided who they wanted the sexy horse race between long ago (that is, a woman and a minority), and hence pushed the others (Kucinich, Richardson, Edwards, etc) aside, and effectively banned them from the process.  It's the American people who have gotten the shaft because we haven't heard a true debate from the many different voices within the Democratic party especially (and both parties in general).  Mainly it seems to me that there has been an emphasis on pandering to get votes, more than ever.  I'm not naiive, I realize this is politics, but doesn't the pandering seem to be a little more revved up this year?  I usually expect this to happen about springtime, after we've had some time to consider their qualifications.  After we've experienced the clash between the changers, the centrists, and the others.  I don't even vote in the primaries until Feb 18th! 

 

This whole thing has been rushed much like the Christmas season has been; it is increasingly being advertised earlier and earlier, and now decorations are put up even before Halloween  -- we just want to get it over with.  I've felt this sense of "getting over with it" during the prep for the 2008 election.  Most of it was "over" before the end of 2007, since the candidates have already been decided by the media when they devoted more airtime to some rather than others, effectively banned some from the debates, and endorsements were made before Super Tuesday.  I'm beginning to feel that as a Democrat, my vote for the best candidate for my party doesn't even matter anymore!  And, I don't even live in Michigan or Florida. I've even lost my fire to continue working on campaigns.

 :sick:

Guess I'm just finally experiencing what the third parties have been feeling all along.  We have been marketed to by the corporate media; the product, a sexy candidate.  Instead of choosing from a marketplace of ideas, we are forced to choose the product of the media.

From now on, I will be working on getting the League of Women's Voters or a likewise group to get some control back over the election process, so we can stop this insanity!  It's only a matter of time until the Christmas season begins in the summertime.  No wonder those who celebrate it can't even enjoy it anymore.

 

 

And please, my apologies to those who don't celebrate Christmas.  I'm just trying to make a point here 

McCain is not a conservative

The term "conservative" is taking on the negative connotation "liberal" used to have.  Is it possible the Republicans have ceded the nomination to McCain and are now positioning him as the non-conservative to pull over the independent vote?  Republicans will paint the Dem as tax-and-spend liberal who is weak on security.  While McCain will be portrayed as a moderate who is strong on security.

Money, Power & the Media will always win.

Was it just proven that a mill worker's son can't be given a chance to be President. That money, power and the media will always win. That 2 - 4 states will decide who can go all the way to the Democratic Convention. The Democratic Party should have fought for all of us to have a say with our votes. The debates should have been on a national television station, like PBS, so that all of us could watch it, not everyone has cable or a computer to get the information that one needs to make an important decision as who is the best one for our Nominee for President. Ted Kennedy and the rest of the clan think that they are the ones to tell us who is the best. The Party and its leaders should have been fighting for all of us to have a say and to vote on the same day so it would have been fair for all those that were running. Then go to the Convention and see what happens.
A month ago I read Obama's foreign policy speech text that he gave to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/04/obama_foreign_policy_speech_te.h...

He scares me with "No President should ever hesitate to use force - unilaterally if necessary - to protect ourselves and our vital interests when we are attacked or imminently threatened."

"Imminently threatened", doesn't that sound like President Bush. Read his speech with an open mind and remember that we are over nine (9) trillion dollars in debt.
Do you want our money to go for more spending outside of the United States or here to take care of the poor and disabled, education, the environment, roads and bridges. There is the technology to build solar energy in the deserts of the southwest to provide enough electricity for the whole United States. It could have been built during the time we have been in Iraq and with some of the money spent there. Some farmers had leased electric trucks and loved them; they could go 60 miles an hour down the road. When the leases were up they wanted to buy the trucks, the U.S. manufacturer said no and took them back.
Do we really know how Obama and Hillary think about NAFTA, CAFTA, North American Union, the NAFTA Superhighway going from Mexico through the United States and up to Canada?. Do you know how you think about those subjects? Without Cable TV and/or a computer you probably never heard of them and the effects they have had or will have on the U.S. economy. Obama said in an article written for the Chicago newspaper:
"We cannot expect to insulate ourselves from all the dislocations brought about by free trade....we need to figure out a way to tell workers that no matter where you work or how many times you switch jobs, you can take your health care and pension with you always, so you have the flexibility to move to a better job or start a new business." Edwards plan on trade issues is better, Obama's way you may never stay at a job long enough to get a pension.

I’m disappointed in the ones that took large donations from Corporations and especially from Rupert Murdock, who has done more to hurt the Democrats than anyone with his lies and also that the Congressional leaders are so wimpy with the Bush Administration.
I’ve been a Proud Liberal Democrat since high school when our Civics' teacher had us write a report as to why we were going to join which Party. None of this, because Mom and Pop are. We had to give reasons why. Back then I found that when the Democratic Party was in control more people had jobs and more people were helped with situations beyond their control. I am shocked that now I am starting to look at the Green Party or to just be an Independent and see which way the wind blows. I first voted for McGovern and now I’m tired. Tired that someone can just give pretty speeches and right away, without knowing completely how he thinks, he is the man. I didn’t like what he said about the 60’s and 70’s. My generation cared. I still care and did my homework and I don’t like all the answers that have been given. I was for John Edwards and I still start crying when he said he would go all the way to the Convention and he’s not now. I think someone got to him, told him or threatened him to stop.
I listen to both sides, I heard over a year ago Ron Paul state that the dollar is falling. How come he knew it and no one else did? I never thought that I would be thinking: with a Democratic Majority in both Houses of Congress would a Ron Paul be so terrible. He would bring the soldiers home and he said he wouldn’t touch Social Security, of course, Bush said that in 2000 too.
I still want to know if Obama is/was holding up a bill in Congress to keep Edwards from getting his matching funds. I am so angry that Edwards didn’t get a fair chance, neither did Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, etc. Time to do some more homework.

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