The Thom Hartmann Program - Jan 31 2008
Hour One - Guest: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend Topic: Super Tuesday, tonight's Democratic candidates debate, and the differences between Obama and Clinton
Hour Two - Guest: Evan Moore http://www.cnsnews.com Topic: Thom will be challenging Evan on his concern about the Focus The Nations Global Warming events today throughout college campus'
Hour Three - Guest Mark Green http://www.airamerica.com/ Topic: Tonight's debate, Super Tuesday
Guest: Christy Harvey www.americanprogress.org http://www.americanprogress.org/ Topic: News Under the Radar
- January 31, 2008








The rest of WHO?
Does anyone else find it odd to hear a Kennedy drawing distinctions between "the very wealthy" and "the rest of ... US"? :roll:
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By mstaggerlee (not verified)January 31, 2008 - 1:16pmrelatives don't always share bank accounts
My familiy tree has some richer branches but my branch is pretty bare! : )
The wealth doesn't always filter to the whole family. I don't expect any inheritance even from my dad since he remarried. That is pretty much most families.
Didn't Paris Hilton recently get cut out of her grandparents will??
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By LoreJanuary 31, 2008 - 1:49pm**BINGO**
that should set off **alarm bells**
& generate THIS question in your mind, "was this announcement addressed TO ME? or someone who LIKES class divisions???
to WHOM are politicians speaking in their announcements?
we're fools if we think its always addressed to *all* the Peoples.
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By BlueBerryPickNJanuary 31, 2008 - 4:41pmbomb, bomb, bomb ....
the new lyrics to Barbara Ann aside, didn't McCain back off from stopping the torture?? He started out against torture until he decided to support torture.
What is this about a bad joke about Chelsea from McCain? I know the Gibson did stop people from attacking her on his show although there were no stops on talking against the Clintons.
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By LoreJanuary 31, 2008 - 1:53pmSharing the planet
Even if they dispute who caused global warming, shouldn't we be doing what we can to protect our home? I mean, farmers determined that loosing trace minerals harmed soil. So they fixed it!
Doesn't this fall under the same thing? We need energy sources that are renewable, not those that depend on limited resources. PERIOD!
The Arctic is thawing. Drastically! Something is wrong and it needs to be fixed.
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By LoreJanuary 31, 2008 - 2:16pmLore, did you hear
about the latest findings in Antartica? Some scientists blasted through the ice, and what did they discover? Water? No landmass at all.
I completely agree with you. And, not only was the loss of trace minerals damaging to the soil, it was also damaging for us. We depend on these trace minerals from our food. Their loss meant ours nutritionally.
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By modgirlJanuary 31, 2008 - 2:36pminvest that 'Bush Bonus' aka "loan + debt national burden"
& tell people to *get a solar panel*
think about it.
now THAT is LOCAL & RENEWABLE energy independence!
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By BlueBerryPickNJanuary 31, 2008 - 4:22pmNEITHER Dem is perfect: focus on election integrity & protest
What do you know about the FBI's international Server in the Sky Project?
are we concerned enough about our diminishing *freedoms*, *privacy & right to peaceful assembly?
perhaps the knee-jerk minutiae of the election coverage is less important than...
focusing on the issues upon which Busheviks engage to diminish our impact in Democracy.
to diminish our **right to secure elections** (can you say ARRIVE WITH FIVE ?)
to diminish our **ability to organize**
to diminish our **right to peaceful assembly without militarized dispersal.
There will be a very LONG LOOK by the Busheviks to see if there is *any fight left in us*.
EVERY PUBLIC mention of the SPP, WTO & cop 'direction' against peaceful assembly is...
...ONE LESS RUBBER BULLET
...ONE LESS chemical burn
...ONE LESS tazering
...ONE LESS protester who catches a beatdown from militarized cops who got freaked out by putting on that SWAT GEAR & hearing OUR government & corporate instructions to **get rid of those protesters**
Don't believe me? watch the brief video on the Swiss cop response to peace protesters @ the G8Aubonne Bridge Action. Watch the coverage of the Montebello SPP 2007 & the *national Canadian coverage* revealing how cops were *caught on video* using agent provocateurs caught inciting justification for a militarized response to PEACEFUL anti-SPP & peace protesters... which didn't stop them from gassing us, anyway.
what really happened in New Orleans housing protests? or during Katrina?
...the Republican NYC lockdown?
...WTO Seattle?
...WTO Miami? OAXACA?
the time grows short for us to fritter away Canadian & American Rights to Peaceful Assembly... let's be honest, we're gonna look like Mexico if they get their way. garsh, maybe that's why they had that SPP conference in CANCUN. Have you ever been to RURAL Yucatán? that's some freaking POOR & disenfranchized... & exactly what Busheviks want FOR ALL OF THE AMERICAS.
SPP Summit August 19-21, 2007
This is What Democracy Looks Like - the amazing documentary shot by over 100 activists & co-operatively created.
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TW: has ANY American noticed yet that NATO is under strain **BECAUSE of US disproportional demands upon NATO allies in Afghanistan**?
no? has anybody noticed that Canada has been directed by the US Afghan NATO leadership to turn over Afghans to US-trained Afghan torture facilities? That all of NATO recognizes that Canada has been *abandoned* in Helmand Province? a place where Canadians take UP TO 6X the casualty & fatality proportional rates than US forces in Iraq?
?? what was the US MSM response when Canada decided they could *no longer obey Afghanistan's US-directed NATO leadership*? we're now being accused of not taking enough prisoners
well, you should... 'cuz its important... I mean, do you really believe the Busheviks lied about *everything but Afghanistan*? really? gee, does anybody find it funny that Tora Bora shook out the way it did? or how about Bhutto catching a freaking bullet after mentioning Bin Laden might not be the shit we've been sold?
seriously... do you believe that NATO is on a feminist rescue mission?
or a drug intervention?
its freaking NATO, people. & its falling apart.
Senlis Council: "Following US Policies Is Turning Canadian Military Operation In Afghanistan Into A Suicide Mission"
Senlis Council recommends replacing opium farming & encouraging economic support for Afghanistan to grow anti-malaria herb, Artemisin
Thank you for your time & consideration
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By BlueBerryPickNJanuary 31, 2008 - 2:25pmcompletely disgusted with Politics
I really appreciate hearing the interesting commentary about the differences between Clinton and Obama by Ms. Kennedy Townsend.
I have been a political junkie since my freshman year in college, but increasingly I am disgusted with the whole process after seeing the way the 2008 election has been run! It's just not fun anymore!
It just feels like the corporate media decided who they wanted the sexy horse race between long ago (that is, a woman and a minority), and hence pushed the others (Kucinich, Richardson, Edwards, etc) aside, and effectively banned them from the process. It's the American people who have gotten the shaft because we haven't heard a true debate from the many different voices within the Democratic party especially (and both parties in general). Mainly it seems to me that there has been an emphasis on pandering to get votes, more than ever. I'm not naiive, I realize this is politics, but doesn't the pandering seem to be a little more revved up this year? I usually expect this to happen about springtime, after we've had some time to consider their qualifications. After we've experienced the clash between the changers, the centrists, and the others. I don't even vote in the primaries until Feb 18th!
This whole thing has been rushed much like the Christmas season has been; it is increasingly being advertised earlier and earlier, and now decorations are put up even before Halloween -- we just want to get it over with. I've felt this sense of "getting over with it" during the prep for the 2008 election. Most of it was "over" before the end of 2007, since the candidates have already been decided by the media when they devoted more airtime to some rather than others, effectively banned some from the debates, and endorsements were made before Super Tuesday. I'm beginning to feel that as a Democrat, my vote for the best candidate for my party doesn't even matter anymore! And, I don't even live in Michigan or Florida. I've even lost my fire to continue working on campaigns.
:sick:
Guess I'm just finally experiencing what the third parties have been feeling all along. We have been marketed to by the corporate media; the product, a sexy candidate. Instead of choosing from a marketplace of ideas, we are forced to choose the product of the media.
From now on, I will be working on getting the League of Women's Voters or a likewise group to get some control back over the election process, so we can stop this insanity! It's only a matter of time until the Christmas season begins in the summertime. No wonder those who celebrate it can't even enjoy it anymore.
And please, my apologies to those who don't celebrate Christmas. I'm just trying to make a point here
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By modgirlJanuary 31, 2008 - 2:32pmMcCain is not a conservative
The term "conservative" is taking on the negative connotation "liberal" used to have. Is it possible the Republicans have ceded the nomination to McCain and are now positioning him as the non-conservative to pull over the independent vote? Republicans will paint the Dem as tax-and-spend liberal who is weak on security. While McCain will be portrayed as a moderate who is strong on security.
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By camoore68January 31, 2008 - 3:20pmMoney, Power & the Media will always win.
Was it just proven that a mill worker's son can't be given a chance to be President. That money, power and the media will always win. That 2 - 4 states will decide who can go all the way to the Democratic Convention. The Democratic Party should have fought for all of us to have a say with our votes. The debates should have been on a national television station, like PBS, so that all of us could watch it, not everyone has cable or a computer to get the information that one needs to make an important decision as who is the best one for our Nominee for President. Ted Kennedy and the rest of the clan think that they are the ones to tell us who is the best. The Party and its leaders should have been fighting for all of us to have a say and to vote on the same day so it would have been fair for all those that were running. Then go to the Convention and see what happens.
A month ago I read Obama's foreign policy speech text that he gave to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/04/obama_foreign_policy_speech_te.h...
He scares me with "No President should ever hesitate to use force - unilaterally if necessary - to protect ourselves and our vital interests when we are attacked or imminently threatened."
"Imminently threatened", doesn't that sound like President Bush. Read his speech with an open mind and remember that we are over nine (9) trillion dollars in debt.
Do you want our money to go for more spending outside of the United States or here to take care of the poor and disabled, education, the environment, roads and bridges. There is the technology to build solar energy in the deserts of the southwest to provide enough electricity for the whole United States. It could have been built during the time we have been in Iraq and with some of the money spent there. Some farmers had leased electric trucks and loved them; they could go 60 miles an hour down the road. When the leases were up they wanted to buy the trucks, the U.S. manufacturer said no and took them back.
Do we really know how Obama and Hillary think about NAFTA, CAFTA, North American Union, the NAFTA Superhighway going from Mexico through the United States and up to Canada?. Do you know how you think about those subjects? Without Cable TV and/or a computer you probably never heard of them and the effects they have had or will have on the U.S. economy. Obama said in an article written for the Chicago newspaper:
"We cannot expect to insulate ourselves from all the dislocations brought about by free trade....we need to figure out a way to tell workers that no matter where you work or how many times you switch jobs, you can take your health care and pension with you always, so you have the flexibility to move to a better job or start a new business." Edwards plan on trade issues is better, Obama's way you may never stay at a job long enough to get a pension.
I’m disappointed in the ones that took large donations from Corporations and especially from Rupert Murdock, who has done more to hurt the Democrats than anyone with his lies and also that the Congressional leaders are so wimpy with the Bush Administration.
I’ve been a Proud Liberal Democrat since high school when our Civics' teacher had us write a report as to why we were going to join which Party. None of this, because Mom and Pop are. We had to give reasons why. Back then I found that when the Democratic Party was in control more people had jobs and more people were helped with situations beyond their control. I am shocked that now I am starting to look at the Green Party or to just be an Independent and see which way the wind blows. I first voted for McGovern and now I’m tired. Tired that someone can just give pretty speeches and right away, without knowing completely how he thinks, he is the man. I didn’t like what he said about the 60’s and 70’s. My generation cared. I still care and did my homework and I don’t like all the answers that have been given. I was for John Edwards and I still start crying when he said he would go all the way to the Convention and he’s not now. I think someone got to him, told him or threatened him to stop.
I listen to both sides, I heard over a year ago Ron Paul state that the dollar is falling. How come he knew it and no one else did? I never thought that I would be thinking: with a Democratic Majority in both Houses of Congress would a Ron Paul be so terrible. He would bring the soldiers home and he said he wouldn’t touch Social Security, of course, Bush said that in 2000 too.
I still want to know if Obama is/was holding up a bill in Congress to keep Edwards from getting his matching funds. I am so angry that Edwards didn’t get a fair chance, neither did Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, etc. Time to do some more homework.
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By desertpalmFebruary 2, 2008 - 9:31am