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The Thom Hartmann Program - September 7th - 2007

By Louise Hartmann

 

Hour One - Senator Bernie Sanders is here "Brunch with Bernie" Taking your calls...

 

Hour Two & Three - Anything Goes! Friday - Call in on any topic.

 

That and your calls plus the best of the rest of the news...

 

Right here on The Thom Hartmann Program - "Fair and Slightly Unbalanced"

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Question for Senator Sanders

Could you have Thom ask Senator Sanders this one question: Why does Senator Sanders (and every other senator who professes to be against the war) continue to lie by saying that "we don't have the votes" to end the war? All it takes is one senator - senator Sanders, for example - to filibuster any of the supplemental spending bills that funded the war. It strikes me that ending the war isn't as important as the politics that are involved - and getting reelected.

droth1952: Politics, you dont say.

S. 359: Student Debt Relief Act of 2007
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-359

Check out the star power on the COSPONSOR list for S.359:

Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] - 4/17/2007 - NUKE IRAN
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] - 1/22/2007 - KEPT FISA WMD LIE SECRET 2000-02
Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 2/1/2007 - WILL NEVER CUT & RUN, EVER !!!
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 1/22/2007 - WORKS FOR AIPAC
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 1/22/2007 - "ALMOST" WANTS KBR AUDIT
Sen Obama, Barack [IL] - 1/22/2007 - WANTS OPRAHS BULLY PULPIT
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 1/22/2007 - ALMOST STOPPED ALITO
Sen Smith, Gordon H. [OR] - 3/20/2007 - A WINNER!!! HE'S A REPUBLCAN
Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] - 3/7/2007 - NO BINDING OCCUPATION TIMELINE

So pathetic

I just finished calling the offices of each of the four senators who are running for president (Obama, Clinton, Dodd, Biden). Not a single one would comment on whether they will filibuster the next supplemental spending bill to fund the war. Please remember that when you're considering who to support for president.

And why doesn't Thom EVER have any Green Party candidates on his show?

SANDBRAIN THINKS USA's DEPRESSED. WHAT, THE US CURRENCY?

Lets have a round of applause for Bernie's fabulous team of ... WHAT, CAPITULATORS?

Never mind 9/11 lets LEAVE NO MORON BEHIND. $12B/mo. to the OIL OCCUPATION and how much to "EDUCATION"????

PATHETIC!!!!!!!!

We're not depressed. Try ANGRY, FED UP, DISGUSTED, ASHAMED and HORRIFIED BY THE INACTION OF THE FEW PROUD REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE JUDICIARY WHO ARE DOING NOTHING ABOUT THE EVILDOERS ON THE HILL AND THOSE POLLUTING OUR AIR WAVES WITH LIES AND HATE!!!!!!

Silence and inaction on accountability for 9/11 is COMPLICITY!!!

If this were France

we would have started a revolution by now.

Question for Bernie

So many of the government statistics that have been produces over the past six years, especially economic statistics, have been corrupted in one way or another. Would it be possible to pass legislation requiring all government agencies to review statistics they have released since 1980 and restate them to a common and consistent basis, And further, require that any future changes in the way statistics are calculated include a restatement of historical statistics?

Sen. Sanders debt forgiveness plan for serving the public

Could you please post this bill number, or where we can read more about this?  I tried looking at Sen. Sanders' website but couldn't find it.

This sounds like a great idea!  My goal has always been to work for a nonprofit group in some capacity, but the salary is just not realistic for the amount of school loans I owe.   

Hopefully, this will also apply to those seeking employment in academia.  With huge budget cuts, working in academia is also cost prohibitive as well, and there is a tendency to replace tenure-track positions with ad hoc lecture positions (which are not tenure, have less benefits and job security, etc.).

Thanks!   (Way to go Bernie!)

 

 

Brunch With Bernie is getting depressing

"You raise a great point", "We're going to take a hard look at that", "We don't have the votes",

 

When did our democracy cease to exist? 

November 2000

Our Democracy became a 'Hypocracy.'

Sure, Fred Thompson is uninformed and lazy

but so were Reagan and Bush and look at how well they turned out.

Baby Einstein? is this on AAR? or NovaM?

because CNBC is running an ad during ThomTime, with 3/4 of the duration chatting about the Joy of Baby Einstein...

hum. the same Baby Einstein that featured in a SOTU...

:shut: the same Baby Einstein that has a similar 'we don't need personal interaction, chuck 'em a video' methodology that Neil Bush pumps out for 'Developing Communities' in North America? ("this part of the World", eh?)

think about it.

now, somebody should be making a few phone calls about a nested ad with a very clever 'chatty' person-to-person format that has little to do with CNBC (unless their executives invested or have social relationships with Baby Einstein executives...) & a lot more to do with a company currently being investigated for product fraud...

is Thom aware that this ad runs during his time slot?

because its just weird, people.

"Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!"

Namaste,
BlueBerry Pick'n
can be found @
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Learn. Think. Believe&Act.

Somewhere over the rainbow ..........

Have no fear, UNDERDOG IS HERE !!!

HA!

Bah, humbug. Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

If they are NOT IMPEACHED, the cycle will continue. In fact this "phase" of "temporary" INSANITY will NOT end.

Be patient. Right, for the past 4 years, even before Murtha stood up, the current eventuality was written on the wall.

You saw it too Thom. Why haven't you run for office? Like Snow, pay not rich enough for ya?

You know what might wake up the Democrats?

When Cindy Sheehan beats Nancy Pelosi in the next election. I don't think Cindy would worry about 'having enough votes.'

Not cynical, Thom

As if our world and our country hasn't changed enough for the worse, there is possibly much worse to come.

In chronological order:

Congress capitulates again on war-funding (aka, military-industrial complex subsidies)
OBL makes his scary state-of-the-USA announcement
Another attack occurs in the Homeland, with Iranian-converts-to-Al Quaida involved (we'll find a wallet that survives the attack to identify them)
Bush retaliates against Iran, then Syria
Bush declares martial law in the Homeland
Bush cancels the 2008 election (too dangerous for the commoners to make it to their local precinct)
By 2015, the bombed-out, failed states of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan (note the geographic "footprint") become one territory, under the US, called something like, the United States of Arabia, and Bush has expanded his kingdom.
Bush crowns his brother the next king of USA.

However, for this NOT to happen, We the (current) People of the United States of America, MUST take our country and our government back.  Talking about it on radio and the blogs is not enough.  Contacting those in Congress now is not working TO THE EXTENT that we need.  It's time for US to stand up as one group and stop this madness.  Boycott on 9/11 won't make the news, the march on DC on 9/15 won't make the news... what in the hell will make the news?  ALL OF US, COORDINATED, TO ENFORCE our Constitution NOW.

Where's Paris Hilton when we need her?

I think that even armed hordes of liberals in the street wouldn't make the news unless hordes of celebrites were with us. 

I'm getting that cynical!  Our local news has moved from the disease of the day segments to those on abused animals.  So, not only am I mad watching our news, I'm now horribly distraught over the animals. 

I know I'm banned from the

I know I'm banned from the chat room and all that - and I'm not listening much, yet tuned in anyway  today for a few minutes.  I wanted to drop a line of thanks for the humanistic segment regarding Afghanistan, militarism, and the fact that every death is just that.  A death.  No other talk show hosts are brave enough to bite off that spork.

Patriotism has been destroyed right in front of me, as a slightly younger person.

Keep it up, crew.  The hardcore among us buy things, too.

 

    - Tromper

 

PS: Ellen Ratner, I have two frozen kielbasa sausages that will totally turn you into the greatest aortal hopscotch champion of all time.  You buy the microwave.

 

 

Here's one for Thom's show

 In Wisconsin, people are so fed up with Rep. Sensenbrenner (who just won his 4th lottery ticket prize), that 2 professors are running against him together.  They are friends who are a moderate D and a R, sharing campaign funds, etc. -- just to get rid of ole Jim.

Thom, has this tactic ever been used before for in an election?
I think you should get Walsh and Burke on your program; maybe spotlight a feature of unlikely nonpoliticians who are running for political office (Cindy Sheehan would be great too). Paul Riekoff, anyone?

Timing is everything

Tom mentioned today what I had said last week that the GOP wanted to take people’s attention away from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales so they threw the Senator Craig story out there knowing it would get attention. Rumors of the Craig story were starting the SAME day that Gonzales resigned. I watched the CNN news time slot that would be considered primetime news they were talking about Gonzales, by the end of that show they were talking that there were rumors about Senator Craig. The Gonzales story was in the news cycle less than 24 hours. The next day it was all about Senator Craig. If that is not a cover up I don’t know what is.

Fred Thompson

I don't want to be trapped in the audience when a one-dimensional actor takes on the most important role of his entire career...

 

..and bombs. 

Philadelphia, PA

Kucinich, but I'll settle for Edwards

EUGENE OREGON KUCINICH

... ... ....

Kucinich

Obi-wan Kucinich  - you're my only hope!!!

Now there's a bumper sticker saying

 

yup, got it! : )

it's a good one!   

Obi-wan Kucinich - I Like It!

It's fits him to a "T," (1) since his left-wing politics prove that he's not from this Earth but from another galaxy far, far away! (2). Which, coincidentally, just happens to be the only place where he'd have an even chance of getting elected President! (3)

(1) Actually, he's not tall enough to be Obi-wan; he'd make a far better Yoda.

(2) Interesting bit of Kucinich trivia:  The number representing the percentage of voters, who support Kucinich for president, 0.73, is the same number that describes Kucinich's height in meters.

(3) If I should win the lottery, the underworld should freeze over, and Kucinich should become President, will the Secret Service have to strap Kucinich into a booster seat, when he rides in the Presidential limousine?  Will the booster seat have a little steering wheel with a horn on it?

skeetjr

Thom's straw poll

John Edwards

for both my fiance and I

He was the only candidate represented (that we saw) at our annual Labor Fest.  Very strong on Labor issues.

Petraeus Report , like DUHHH

Well the much ballyhooed Petraeus is almost here.  But, oh wait, it is not going to be a written report, oh no, just some sort of verbal report which will be spun later as misinterpreted or he mis-spoke on that issue. So essentially he can say what ever he wants and they will just fix and spin it later.  $97 Billion and 6 months and we can't even get a written report????? What's the matter, didn't they have enough time or money to hire a clerk at $7/hr to get it done?

Let's get serious anyway.  The Democrates are so pitiful they spend billions of our dollars and thousands of our military's lives to get something that is guaranteed to be a joke from the start.  Let's try something really revolutionary here and apply common sense to this whole issue.  OK, here we go, pay attention as we put this into terms the average person can relate to.

Your company comes to you and says we want you to come up with a plan to save the company and then you will be responsible for implementing the plan, and finally we want you to come back in 6 months and tell us how your program is working. Duhhhhh, how many people are going to come back and say "Well you gave me 18 goals and I barely made 3 or 4 of them, and if you just look at a matrix of basic business measurements we have not improved on any of those and have actually shown many of those measurements have become worse.  And I know you gave me the money, tools, and personnel to implement my plan 6 months ago, but I'm going to claim a muligan on the first 5 months and say they don't count because I feel that we didn't have 100% of those things available until maybe a month ago. So overall I guess I would have to say that I had a reasonable plan and I tried my hardest but I have to admit that it is at best barely managing to maintain the business at the level of 6 months ago and at worst it has been a total waste of the money and personnel you gave me."

Right like somebody is actually going to say that about THEIR plan. 999 people out of 1000 are more likely to say something like this.  "Well, we have faced many difficulties but we have persevered and hung in there with our plan.  We have seen some real progress in many areas and feel it is just a matter of a little more time before we turn this whole thing around.  I'm very pleased with the hard work our employees have shown and feel we owe it to them to continue on this path to success and not promote failure.  Just give me 9 more months and we will really see some progress now that we have the plan in place."

Of course the company unlike the government does not have bottomless pockets so 3 months later after the board approves another 9 months the company goes bankrupt and on its way down the tubes makes sure to release a press report stating it was the employees fault that we failed and the stockholders who didn't have faith in our plan.

Of course the Iraq occupation won't go bankrupt, it will just take our money from health, education, and the environment and continue to kill our youth.  A small price to pay for uh... for a... wait I almost got it... its for our childr... uh no not that... maybe for our safet...oh no not that either...maybe ummm... well I'll just get back to you. 

Bobby Kennedy Speech

Today Thom played an excerpt of a Bobby Kennedy speech, could someone tell me where I could find a transcript of that speech, I am unable to find it. Thanks

Hillary Clinton's Fellowship fundamentalism i s SCARY

The article in the Oct. issue of MOTHER JONES ("Hillary's Prayer" by Kathryn  Joyce and Jeff Sharlet) has given me renewed belief in intuition:  Surely this could be the reason behind the distrust I and and so many have been feeling about Hillary; perhaps we sensed her creepy concealment of fundamentalist agenda items!

Hillary's membership in the secret prayer group, the Fellowship, has made her "secret prayer pals" with other Fellowship members like Rick Santorum, Bob Bennett, Mark Pryor, George Allen, John Ashcroft.  Yikes.  Her Fellowship guru is evangelist Doug Coe.  Yikes.

For me the key observation about the Fellowship and Hillary in this article is this:  That the Fellowship peddles political transcendence of reactionary and progressive positions via faith-- BUT the faith is ALWAYS evangelical and the the politics always moves to the right as a result of Fellowship influence. (paraphrased from the article)  The Fellowship poses as an apolitical body, but it clearly is not.

If Hillary Clinton is in "spiritual war" on behlf of Christ (!), I want to know WHO ARE HER ENEMIES?  I sense here that there are two kind of Crusades for these reactionary fundamentalists: The Foreign Crusade against other religions abroad and also The Domestic Crusade against  secularists in the USofA.  Both these crusades are unacceptable to me!

I didn't like Hillary before because she is a Corporatist to the point of favoring the advance of corporate agendas over the people and our Constitution;  the Clintons' promotion of WTO  and NAFTA et al proved that much.  But in addition, Hillary obviously supports the demise of Separation of Church and State.  Just like the fundamentalist religious radicals she hangs out with in the Fellowship, she pursues this under the radar; she does not speak to the American People as a whole about her intent as she should; she'll chop away at Separation of Church and State but will she ever make her position clear through a POLICY POSITION stating her intent clearly?  If she were an upfront person,  she would make it clear to voters that she intends to allow scripture to be taught in all schools, etc., but she's not upfront.  I don't think Hillary Clinton will ever let voters see her authentic self.  That makes her a dishonest politician in my estimation.  And I'm sick of dishonest politicians.

The best reason to NOT vote for Hillary is it says you refuse anymore Business As Usual.  No more Dynasty attitudes about who gets to sit in the oval office.  No more corporatists.  No more politicians who kowtow to corporte donors.  And no more radical religious freaks who think government is the place to conduct their "spiritual warfare".  We've had enough of Dubya's religious delusions of hearing God talk to him, and don't need a Fellowship insider like Hillary deciding God is inspiring her to replace our Constitutionally sanctioned individual rights with her personal brand of fundamentalist "morality".

Anyway, sorry this turned into my personal rant.  I just wanted to stop by and encourage everyone to read the MOTHER JONES article!

I'm curious if Thom has read this yet, and after reading it,  if he'll still say he could support Hillary if she gets the nomination....

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The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.--Eleanor Roosevelt

It seems simple to me.

George Bush is FOR eveything 'Social'-like all social programs, and a defense department, and taxation and representation. And our President 'rails' against socialism. Who else does? Well it's always the extremists who rail against the center; Bush is COMMUNIST. Communists feel laws are evil. So does Russia, so does Bush! It's like this I think: FACISTS----->Socialists (center)>------>Communists. Reminder: there's ALWAYS a way to strike back at oppressors!!! And hey folks, let's not get in the middle of this?!! :-S

Show Notes

Friday 07 September '07

Today's full show notes.

"Brunch with Bernie" with Senator Bernie Sanders, Independent of Vermont. Today a very significant higher education bill passed, raising Pell grants, and providing for loan forgiveness if students work in a public sector job for 10 years.

"Anything Goes" Friday.

Who said, "I mean, do we have the right here in the United States to say that we are going to kill tens of thousands, make millions of people, as we have, make millions of people refugees, kill women and children as we have"?

Suicide rates, depression. Stand up straight, put a smile on your face and walk, and you will feel better. High shrill negative emotion - anxiety - and dark low thick negative emotions - shame and guilt. Living in the present. (Transcript of a previous rant on the subject here).

Who said, "For four years this Administration has had the support of the loyal opposition for the objective of seeking an honorable end to the struggle. Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively. And if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past"?

Bobby Kennedy Speech

There are details in the full show notes; I've just posted a link to them in my show notes message.

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