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August 17th, 2008: David Crosby; Dan Gilgoff; Farron Cousins; and your calls

By David Fazekas

This week we will talk to David Crosby, about the elections. Then Dan Gilgoff, politics editor at Beliefnet.org and contributing editor at U.S. News and World Report, on Saturday's Saddleback Civil Forum. Then Farron Cousins; and of course, your calls, 866-303-2270.

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I think they gave McCain the questions

in advance. He was rehearsed and started answering questions before the guy finished asking.
It seemed like a set up.

Oh and to McCain you are middle class

if you make $4,999,999.99 a year. Rich stars at $5 million income in republican land.

McCain at Saddleback

You call it appropriate for the room -- I call it sucking up, something McCain has been doing his whole life.

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Dave

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Why is everything always

Why is everything always reduced to abortion and gay marriage? How about the campaign ads from McCain? They are filled with lies and misleading statements. Would Jesus approve?

Is it me - ok is the live stream not working?

n/t

I believe...

Obama shouldn't make the mistake of sinking to McCain's level to match his "toughness". He should get better at defining the difference between them as his own belief in strength with wisdom and reason, as opposed to McCain's adherence to Reaganesque belligerence and bluster. The former is what made America great, the latter has brought us only difficulty and animosity around the world. The country should come up to Obama's level, not vice-versa, and I think it can be done if he can make the alternative unacceptable in contrast. He needs to pinpoint the dumbed-down state of our culture, particularly the underlying militarism, and strike hard against that.

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Dave

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The "tell"

Early in the McCain hour I believe he said something to the effect of can we get back the supreme court appointments.

The quote

This is from the transcript posted on Warren's website at http://rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-05.txt

8 Q OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO LONGER ON THAT ONE.

9 DEFINE MARRIAGE.

10 A UNION -- A UNION BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN, BETWEEN

11 ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, THAT'S MY DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE.

12 ARE WE GOING TO GET BACK TO THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPREME

13 COURT JUSTICES.

14 Q WE'LL GET TO THAT.

15 A ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

16 Q YOU GOT ALL MY QUESTIONS, GOOD.

Need to have a vidio of McCains

"touching" war story and add the clip of him saying he hate all the gooks/not sure the word he used.

I did not watch-but listened

I did not watch-but listened to the program last night. And from a strict listening point of view it sounded as if McCain was aware of some of the questions. He answered with one or two words and then went into his political sound-bites, I am tired of him calling me his friend when listening to him, and I could no longer listen to the mess about the supreme court justices. For the life of me I cannot understand the appeal of Sen. McCain. I did not care for him in the 2000 election and have even more disdain for him now. He is good at story telling which he did quite well--told stories.

Mr. Obama did fine. I, like so many of us simply wish he would stop with the all the "uhs"-- meaningful silence is okay.

LIstening

This program is very annoying - there are lots of people waiting in the phone line, but David Bender keeps on talking and saying nothing.

Worst of all, he also does not let people finish their sentences - when I am very interested in what they are saying.

David Bender has basically repeated the same stuff over and over again ad nasueum - please let the callers have their say.

The "tell"

Early in the McCain hour I believe he said something to the effect of can we get back the supreme court appointments. That was before the issue had been raised.

Rick Warren Interview with Obama and McCain

Even though McCain seemed to come out on top at the end of the evening, the nature of the two candidates' responses to the interview frame what is a central issue in this presidential election. Are the answers to the questions that our nation must face in the coming years simple or complex?

Simple answers are easier to digest. Something in me wants the answers to the big questions of life to be simple. If the answers are simple, things don't seem so overwhelming. Much of the success of the evangelical Christian movement, of which Rick Warren is a part, has been a result of its ability to take easily definable positions on and to give simple answers to the complex questions of life. It's no surprise that last night's audience responded more enthusiastically to McCain.

McCain believes that evil exists, can be easily identified, and defeated. Obama agrees that evil exists, but reminds us that much evil has been done in the name of eradicating evil, and implies that we must carefully consider how to respond to evil each time we face it.

McCain's position is appealing, but it doesn't square with real life. For example, sexual molestation of children is evil, but most child molesters were childhood victims of another child molester. How do you stop the cycle? Can anyone offer a simple answer to that question?

McCain "knows" that "life" begins at conception. Obama, unquestionably a brilliant man, says he doesn't know exactly when "life" begins, but believes we should figure out how to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. McCain's clear answer on when life begins and his anti-abortion position drew applause from the evangelical audience, but a good follow-up question would have been, "Why does the Republican party do so little to help non-aborted children born into environments surrounded by poverty and crime?" Or, "Give us a simple answer on how to guide such children away from the gates of Hell?" Or, "Why do you have such a concern for honoring life at conception, but little hesitancy to send young soldiers to die in a war based on false premises?" Or, "If all of human life is so precious to you, why does our government led by your party fail to even count Iraqi deaths in the current war?"

A key question in this election is, "How much are we willing to really think through the issues?" "Are we willing to grapple with complex questions, or will we once again opt out for the simple answers that help us feel that life is not so hard after all?" I hope our country will choose Obama, and in so doing, opt for the excitement of real progress in facing global warming, addressing health care issues, becoming energy independent, regaining respect from our allies around the world, and making peace with our enemies over the excitement of one-liner answers crafted to generate applause.

To read more go to http://startelegrameditwriters.typepad.com/donkeytales08/2008/08/rick-wa...

Sirius carries CNN

Sirius carries CNN and was promoting the Saddleback Forum.

http://www.sirius.com/politicaltalk

If McCain was a half hour late, he could have easily listened to Obama's answers no matter where he was.

Obama the right answer!

Although some thought McCain short simple answers were received better then Osama’s, I have to say that I can't agree with that. I'm tired of having a leader who can't articulate his thoughts or don't have the ability to answer complex questions. We have leaders who can't give us an answers with a why he feel this way and examples of how it would work or why it wont work...I'm not sure McCain can give us real answer or any reason why he feels a certain way. The only thing he can go deep about is his time as a POW and some of that is made up to capture those who don't know any better. We've spent 8 years with a simple leader who can't solve the hard questions!

Another Civil Forum

So when is the next Civil Forum with the ACLU asking the questions?

Obama should be more politically direct...

... when answering questions on the fly, especially when speaking to COMMONFOLK.

My explanation: I think Obama does best speaking to commonfolk (or even simple-minded people) when he FIRST gives his answer in one sentence or less. Then he can go on to give disclaimers, history, background, reasoning, and definitions or whatever. Currently, on the fly, Obama often speaks like an academic, explaining his reasoning first, verbally processing his ideas, meandering around and playing process-of-elimination, before finally getting out the punchline. By then, simple-minded commonfolk are already lost. It sounds like old politics and doublespeak to them. They want the answer up front as much as possible and then they'll listen to his reasoning. Obama does this sometimes, but needs to do it more often. I think this is partially why he lost many blue collar voters to Hillary. She answered questions by first saying what she would do and then explaining how or why she would do it.

Faith does NOT mean hating abortion & gays

Obama's campaign should keep reminding the Christians moderates of this. He shouldn't avoid talking about faith. He should talk about HOW specifically his faith influences his views on health care, welfare, social security, etc.

I think Obama has done an excellent job in his books explaining how faith reaches over a variety of issues, not just gays and abortion. After all, some people of faith are pro-life in the sense that they actually care about life throughout the whole lifecourse, not just the first 5 minutes. Obama also has potential to reach some Evangelicals by carefully discussing the life or sayings of Jesus.

Jesus was obsessed with how to care for the poor, widows, orphans, and the sick. If this isn't welfare, family planning, health care, and social security, I don't know what is. Jesus constantly talked about how to treat people who are ostracized (such as the lepers, and even prostitutes) even by religious leaders. Jesus mentions money (and helping those in need) hundreds of times. How many times does he mention homosexuality? NOT EVEN ONCE.

Evangelicals, please seriously consider the sayings of the man your faith is based on - Jesus. Do the words of Jesus really sound like McCain, dripping in militarism and offshore oil? What did Jesus mean when he told Peter to "put away the sword?" Will you be hijacked by political conservatives, or will you stand up and show the world that your faith cannot be reduced to hating abortion and hating gays?

Just had to say....

David, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage in that I live in a small Kentucky community where my choice in talk radio is completely limited to Laura Ingram, Rush and Bill-O...

Fortunately, I have the ability to spend plenty of time with my podcasts. As I spent my Sunday lounging and listening to my collection of the weeks media, I so wanted to call in to throw my 2-cents. Not an option.

During the Saddleback forum, there was one single statement made by Senator McCain that I have heard NO ONE mention. It was so damning and telling that I think it begs for commentary.

Senator McCain loudly and proudly said that he (I would use his exact quote, however I can't seem to find the transcript at the moment... I can remember closely enough to paraphrase) would follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell and he knew how to get him. This is important for everyone to at least ponder. If John McCain "KNOWS" how to "get" bin Laden, WHAT HAS HE BEEN DOING SINCE 2001?????? As a senior Republican Senator, with a partisan Republican administration, he had ample opportunity to discuss his "plan" with the President himself. His inability to discuss his "winning" strategy with anyone in the administration who could put it in to motion, blatently and completely shows his lack of ability to lead. He is NOT WORTHY OF THE PRESIDENCY!!!!!!!

I hate to say this Mr. Bender, but if John McCain becomes the next President of the United States, I will have to, once again, admit that my finger is way off of the pulse of America and shoved directly up my own rectum. It would be easy to say, "Canada here I come." But, damnit, America is my home. I believe in this social experiment and hope that my fellow Americans realize that we cannot handle another non-reading, non-thinking administration. I prefer the thought that my leaders are more intelligent than I. I admire thoughtfulness and someone who I believe will think a bit before they speak and much more before they act (or react as has been the case).

I think we deserve that much.

Saddleback forum

David, you are driving me crazy, with your "John McCain was wonderful!" insanity both Sunday and Monday on TRMS.

I watched the Saddleback Forum on the local Orange County channel, KDOC. There was a panel of two local anchors, and a Dem committee chairman, and a GOP committee chairman.
They discussed the debate during the breaks.

At the end, they were both asked how they would rate them. The GOP guy gave
Obama an A-, and McCain a B+. That was the local Orange county GOP guy. He thought Obama did slightly batter.

The Dem committee guy gave Obama an A+, and McCain a B-.

They pointed out that Obama had nothing to loose, and everything to gain, and he netted a gain.
He addressed moral questions with sincerity, and presented himself as a thoughtful, ethical Christian man. The best he could hope for was to peel off a percentage of young Evangelicals, and he probably did. He also had a chance of moving a block of undecided Roman Catholics.

McCain had little to gain. There were his people, rich, white, Orange County Republicans.

You thought McCain was connecting emotionally. I have heard that from a few men, both in person, and on the blogs. Maybe it is a testosterone thing! The only emotional moving McCain did was move me to work hard to repress the desire to throw something through the TV. Talked to several woman friends who watched the rerun, and none of them were moved. He was pitching a line. He was totally impersonal, presenting his "public persona" with canned stump speech riffs. He was NOT in personal, conversational mode, which was what the forum was supposed to be. The Evangelical woman who lives a few doors down thought McCain came across as a hypocrite, who was just into pandering for votes!

So, the beltway bubble boys say "McCain won" and it has to be true, because they don't really know anybody who is a real, ordinary person.

PLEASE, let Rachel do the "Chicken Little" routine, if she must, but one of you must keep a cool head. PLEASE!

McCain isn't dumb

Suppose it's true that McCain got the questions during the half-hour before his turn at Rick Warren's church event. McCain was able to learn his lines well. This means that he's not dumb. We can't expect him to mess up for us at every public appearance.
Actually, he'd have to be very good, and his staff would have to be very good, to come up with memorable lines on short notice. It's likely that McCain and his staff anticipated, perhaps with help from Rick Warren or his people, what the questions would be and practiced answers. His tactic of switching from short answers to stories was surely well practiced in advance. My conclusion is that McCain is smart. We can't expect him to self-destruct for us.

The Kennedy Health Insurance plan?

David Bender suggests to every guest for whom it's relevant the idea of naming the Congress's next universal health care plan for Edward Kennedy. A fine sentiment, and Kennedy is deserving of honor. However, I expect the first universal health plan to suck. It'll be on the Massachusetts/Tennessee model. It will preserve private health insurance. That will make it expensive and it won't cover everybody. (See http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/august/copy_massachusetts_.php ) We'll have to enact a new version in a couple of years. That'll be a problem for Kennedy's legacy, unless we can name that one for Ted, too.

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