The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 26th 2008
August 25th - September 5th 2008 Radio Guest Highlights for theWeek
Thom will be“live” from The Democratic and Republican Conventions – radio row. Guestsinclude Rep. John Conyers, David Sirota, Tom Hayden, Sen. Bernie Sanders, TerryJeffries, Christy Harvy, Rep Linda Sanchez, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and more…
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Democratic Convention Events – Thom willbe on radio row
Monday -August 25th 2pm–3pm SEACHANGE IDEAS FORUMPresents…Progressive/Conservative Debate
Air America’s ThomHartmann debates conservative political commentator Dennis Prager about the keyissues facing the candidates in the 2008 Presidential election.
Thom Hartmann (Air America Host)
Dennis Prager (Salem Radio Talk Show Host and Author)
Monday – August 25th 3pm – 6pm AIRAMERICA MEDIA & PROGRESSIVE BOOK CLUB ARE PROUD TO HOST…The contest:Progressives vs. Conservatives
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Paul Krugman, The Conscience of aLiberal
Arianna Huffington, Right is Wrong
John Podesta, The Power of Progress
David Sirota, The Uprising
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Tuesday –August 26th 6pm - Denver, CO -Thom is giving a talk and signing books-Border's Books in Lone Tree Colorado in the Park Meadows Mall. 8557 ParkMeadows Center Dr. Lone Tree, CO 80124 303.708.1735 (AM 760, Colorado'sProgressive Talk) www.am760.net
Republican Convention Events – Thom willbe on radio row
Monday - September 1 – SEIU’s Take Back Labor Day Festival -Harriet IslandMinneapolis Hip Hop acts Atmosphere and Lupe Fiasco, actor/ musician MosDef and British rocker Billy Bragg are joining the line-up at the ServiceEmployees International Union’s (SEIU) Take Back Labor Day Festival at the footof the Republican National Convention. Thefestival will run from noon to 7 p.m. on Sept. 1, Labor Day, at Harriet IslandRegional Park in the Mississippi River in downtown St. Paul. The festival will feature musiciansSteve Earle, Allison Moorer and Tom Morello, SEIU President Andy Stern andChange to Win Chair Anna Burger, and Air America radio host Thom Hartmann (timeTBA). Purchase tickets @ www.ticketmaster.com
Tuesday - September 2 - AM950 The Voice of Minnesota- Invites You to TheParty for Change Join: Bill Press, Stephanie Miller, Jim Ward, ChrisLavoie, Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann, and Jon Elliott, Book signings: ThomHartmann and Bill Press,5:30 pm doors open. Party till 9:30 pm, Where:Black Bear Crossing on the Lake, located in the Historic Como LakesidePavilion, 1360 North Lexington Parkway,St. Paul, Minnesota $10 purchase ticketsat door only. www.am950ktnf.com
- August 25, 2008








Where You There?
I didn't think so.
Dr. Phillip Butler was there and here's his report on what actually happened:
"People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW.
John's treatment as a POW:
1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.
2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case - new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda.
3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first.
4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor - 8, Service Crosses - 42, Silver Stars - 590, Bronze Stars - 958 and Purple Hearts - 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many - not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.
John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More that 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. There were many heroes in North Vietnam. I saw heroism every day there. And we motivated each other to endure and succeed far beyond what any of us thought we had in ourselves. Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did.
I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.
Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.
I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.
It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.
I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" . . . ."
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html
McCain wants to use his POW status as an excuse for every mistake he makes. It'stime for the truth to be told.
I am sick and tired of this attitude that we have no right to question McCain's mediocre military service. McCain ran for president; his entire military record should be released, not hidden.
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By AmericanInsurgentAugust 26, 2008 - 11:13am