The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 26th 2008
August 25th - September 5th 2008 Radio Guest Highlights for theWeek
Thom will be“live” from The Democratic and Republican Conventions – radio row. Guestsinclude Rep. John Conyers, David Sirota, Tom Hayden, Sen. Bernie Sanders, TerryJeffries, Christy Harvy, Rep Linda Sanchez, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and more…
Thom's Travel & Events Coming Up…
Democratic Convention Events – Thom willbe on radio row
Monday -August 25th 2pm–3pm SEACHANGE IDEAS FORUMPresents…Progressive/Conservative Debate
Air America’s ThomHartmann debates conservative political commentator Dennis Prager about the keyissues facing the candidates in the 2008 Presidential election.
Thom Hartmann (Air America Host)
Dennis Prager (Salem Radio Talk Show Host and Author)
Monday – August 25th 3pm – 6pm AIRAMERICA MEDIA & PROGRESSIVE BOOK CLUB ARE PROUD TO HOST…The contest:Progressives vs. Conservatives
Moderator: Thom Hartmann, Air America
Paul Krugman, The Conscience of aLiberal
Arianna Huffington, Right is Wrong
John Podesta, The Power of Progress
David Sirota, The Uprising
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Tuesday –August 26th 6pm - Denver, CO -Thom is giving a talk and signing books-Border's Books in Lone Tree Colorado in the Park Meadows Mall. 8557 ParkMeadows Center Dr. Lone Tree, CO 80124 303.708.1735 (AM 760, Colorado'sProgressive Talk) www.am760.net
Republican Convention Events – Thom willbe on radio row
Monday - September 1 – SEIU’s Take Back Labor Day Festival -Harriet IslandMinneapolis Hip Hop acts Atmosphere and Lupe Fiasco, actor/ musician MosDef and British rocker Billy Bragg are joining the line-up at the ServiceEmployees International Union’s (SEIU) Take Back Labor Day Festival at the footof the Republican National Convention. Thefestival will run from noon to 7 p.m. on Sept. 1, Labor Day, at Harriet IslandRegional Park in the Mississippi River in downtown St. Paul. The festival will feature musiciansSteve Earle, Allison Moorer and Tom Morello, SEIU President Andy Stern andChange to Win Chair Anna Burger, and Air America radio host Thom Hartmann (timeTBA). Purchase tickets @ www.ticketmaster.com
Tuesday - September 2 - AM950 The Voice of Minnesota- Invites You to TheParty for Change Join: Bill Press, Stephanie Miller, Jim Ward, ChrisLavoie, Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann, and Jon Elliott, Book signings: ThomHartmann and Bill Press,5:30 pm doors open. Party till 9:30 pm, Where:Black Bear Crossing on the Lake, located in the Historic Como LakesidePavilion, 1360 North Lexington Parkway,St. Paul, Minnesota $10 purchase ticketsat door only. www.am950ktnf.com
- August 25, 2008








To Thom Hartmann
Yet Another Example Exposing the Dishonest, Hypocritical, and Vindictive Left
Last week, during one of your radio programs, you and your listeners decided to mock and degrade McCain's heroism as a Naval Aviator held captive by the North Vietnamese. Among some of the most egregious and mean-spirited of statements was McCain's appearance in propaganda films made the North Vietnamese, "singing like a canary," as a listener, who called in, put it. It may have been this same listener, who also stated how the North Vietnamese offered all American POWs the opportunity to leave prison, if they denounced their fellow prisoners and the U.S. war effort, as if McCain's decision to refuse this offer was no big deal. You obviously agreed, saying nothing to either correct or admonish the listener and often chiming in with your own comments in support of this baseless and toddler-like rant.
Engaging in this sort of slander and character assassination is not only wrong, it's also slimy and cowardly in the extreme. For unless you and the deluded sycophants, whose thinking is as illogical and twisted as yours, have been a POW, neither you nor they have any business disparaging McCain's heroic behavior as a POW in North Vietnam.
To begin with, North Vietnam subjected POWs to months and even years of unspeakable torture for no other reason than to use them as props in propaganda films, even though such acts flagrantly violated the Geneva Convention (1). Under these circumstances, it was common for POWs to appear in such films. They did so to ease the torture but also because they knew the world would dismiss these films as having been made under duress and how the POWs could use the films to communicate the horrible conditions under which they lived, using code or other means (2).
These conditions were all the more deplorable, when one considers how the North Vietnamese housed the prisoners. Typically this involved placing no more than two to a cell to psychologically isolate the prisoners and, thus, make the torture more effective and communication more difficult. So, even if the North Vietnamese offered all the POWs an early release, if they denounced their fellow POWs and the U.S. (which isn't true), neither McCain nor his cell mate would necessarily have known about this offer, or if they did, the number of POWs, to whom the offer was made.
Even so, it's irrelevant whether the North Vietnamese made this offer to only one prisoner or all of them. The fact remains that McCain chose to stay and undergo even worse torture for doing so, out of solidarity with his fellow POWs and the military's code, in which the first captured is the first released. As everyone knows, McCain was not the first.
This extremely brave and honorable behavior exhibited in the face of savage torture inflicted by an unjust, brutal, and tyrannical enemy, stands in stark contrast to the dishonest, hypocritical, narcissistic and childish behavior exhibited by the left in the freest and most humane country the world has ever known. For it's highly unlikely that such a sorry, puerile, and pathetic pack of losers, of which the left is now comprised and you are among the most prominent, would display even a tiny fraction of the fortitude displayed by McCain, even if the cause was something in which the left believed.
So your actions and those of your drone-like followers to make light of McCain's war-time sacrifice says far more about you and the left, than it does about McCain. Indeed, the baseless and mean-spirited comments made by you and the delusional dolts, who agree with you, shows how the left will stoop to anything - no matter how vile, disgusting, scummy, and low - if it can destroy those, who stand between the left and power, something the left has no business having, given its daily trafficking in half truths and outright lies.
But to you and the left, I'm fairly certain this criticism means nothing. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the left finds such criticism funny, since to the left, dishonesty, hypocrisy, and slander is just Standard Operating Procedure (SOP).
(1) There's no moral equivalency or comparison, whatsoever, with the beastly torture inflicted by the North Vietnamese on American POWs for purely propaganda purposes and the waterboarding we used on two to three terrorists (for no more than 30 minutes each) captured in Afghanistan to obtain information that saved thousands of innocent lives. Unlike the North Vietnamese, we implemented the latter after much debate between factions in the Administration, review by legal scholars, and notification to select members of Congress. Thereafter, the debate occurred much more publically, involving all branches of government and the public. Being a totalitarian dictatorship, the North Vietnamese carried out nothing even remotely like this.
(2) During one film, an American POW blinked his eyes in Morse Code to spell out the word, "torture."
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By SheddAugust 25, 2008 - 11:54pm