Lieberman is Out of Line

By Booman Tribune

by BooMan

The effort to turn Iran into the latest incarnation of Nazi Germany is deeply dishonest and depressing. For some people, anyone that makes Israel uncomfortable is a de facto
Nazi. Iran has not fought a war of territorial expansion in centuries.
I can't even think of an example in the last 500 years. What's more,
Israel is armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. Iran has no nuclear
weapons. And, if they did have them, they'd be no more likely to
explode one in Israel than Pakistan is today. If Pakistan were to
attack Israel with nuclear weapons there would be no need for America
to 'obliterate' them because Israel would do the job first.

Iran has its faults. So did the Soviet Union. But the Soviet Union
never used its nuclear weapons. And, unlike the Soviet Union, Iran has
no territorial ambitions. Their support of Hezbollah is as much about
strengthening their Shi'a brethren in Lebanon's internecine political
fights as it is about harassing Israelis. And their alleged support of
Hamas is about having street cred as one of the few Islamic countries
willing to continue the fight post Camp David.

I don't expect Israelis to turn a passive eye to activities that
threaten and sometimes kill their citizens. Israelis are rightly
angered by both Iran's actions and their irresponsible rhetoric. But
Iran poses a low-level threat, not an existential one. The Iranians are
not suicidal.

Moreover, it pays to remember that even Nixon and Kissinger met
repeatedly with our communist adversaries in China, North Vietnam, and
the Soviet Union. They talked to the Soviet ambassador almost daily.
And that is really what this debate is about. Do we talk to our enemies
or do we just try to kill them?

When President Bush goes before the Knesset and compares Democrats to Nazi appeasers, he's crossing a line. And for Joe Lieberman to issue this statement is just appalling.

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Senator Joseph Lieberman (ID-CT)
issued the following statement in response to President Bush’s
statement to the Israel Knesset this morning:

“President Bush got it
exactly right today when he warned about the threat of Iran and its
terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah. It is imperative that we
reject the flawed and naïve thinking that denies or dismisses the words
of extremists and terrorists when they shout “Death to America” and
“Death to Israel,” and that holds that—if only we were to sit down and
negotiate with these killers—they would cease to threaten us. It is
critical to our national security that our commander-in-chief is able
to distinguish between America’s friends and America’s enemies, and not
confuse the two.”

What does Joe want to do? Kill all the Iranians? Kill all the Lebanese?
Kill all the Gazans? That kind of exterminationist thinking is a lot
closer to NaziThink than Joe would like to admit. But it's implicit in
his logic. And why does Joe Lieberman say that these groups threaten
'us'? Has Hezbollah attacked America, or attacked Americans in the last
twenty years? Has Hamas, ever?

You want to know what has made Israel safer than anything else in its
history? The peace treaties that Carter hammered out with Egypt and
Clinton hammered out with Jordan. That was accomplished by talking, not
fighting. Israel no longer faces any credible threat of land invasion,
and they have the last two Democratic presidents to thank for it.
Presidents Reagan and Bush encouraged two disastrous invasions of
Lebanon. That's the kind of terrible advice Israel has received from
Republican leaders that are supposed to be strong on terrorism. Prior
to the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, suicide bombing was almost unheard of
in the Islamic world, and Iran's influence was almost completely
contained within their own borders.

Comparing Iran to Nazi Germany is a grave insult to our intelligence. Even our Secretaries of Defense and State
recognize the necessity and advisability of engaging Iran. Is it any
wonder why the Democrats kicked Joe Lieberman out of the party? I don't
know what it would take to convince him that his policies make Israel
less secure. History is so stark and decisive on the matter, that I
suppose Lieberman just doesn't read it.

Before you go praising Lieberman for stomping Lamont

You may want to remember who got Lieberman elected. Was it dems? Ummmmm....no. He was supported by the repub party, who had refused to give any real support to their own candidate. The majority of the votes for Lieberman came from repubs.

Lieberman is a moron of the highest order, and after November, he will probably switch to the repub side to finish his career, which will no doubt end in 2012. He has such impecable timing, picking a time when the repub president he supports has record disapproval ratings, and is even being shunned by his own party. He wants to support a party that not only is a minority party in the House and Senate right now, but has lost all 3 seats in traditionally repub districts in special elections in the past couple of month, which is a sign they will become an even smaller minority after November. It's like he decided to jump on the bandwagon of a team that is down 3 games to nothing in a 7 game playoff, and is losing badly with 5 seconds to go in the game. I guess Hillary isn't the only one with terrible judgement.

And I am also glad the commentator in the thread pointed out what I have been pointing out for quite a while. Why threaten to nuke Iran, when Israel could do the job so much faster than we could ever hope to do? Would we really need to send some nukes to kick up the radioactive debris and incinerated bodies left by an Israeli counterstrike? Or is it just that someone feels they need to prove they've got big balls by telling everyone how "tough" they are. To me, it sounds like Michael Jackson singing "I'm bad, I'm bad, you know it". Saying it, (or singing it) doesn't make it true. It just makes you sound shrill and desperate.