Civilian Lebanese Death Toll Mounts

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Westerners are fleeing Lebanon in the thousands as Israel’s bombardment of the country continues, in air and artillery attacks that have left as many as 200 Lebanese civilians dead. Israeli casualties are also on the rise, as Hezbollah continues to fire rockets and missiles deeper into Israel’s interior. Though Israeli commanders promise the incursion will last weeks and may soon involve ground forces, both Israel and Syria have signaled a willingness to negotiate.

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No Peace

Isreal will not stop killing unless Hezbollah disarms according to a statement I heard on MSNBC this morning.

I find this to be a big problem. If someone is killing your relatives, it makes it that much harder for people to lay down their arms.

Let's hope peace wins out and these freaks stop killing eachother and learn to live near eachother.

It just makes me sick to think about that region of the world and proves to me that religion is the basis for all evil, not money, but religion.

Scratch that... religion in it's pure form (any form) is beautiful, but, "the more there are the less they are."

Man messes up pure thoughts and ideas and twists them to the point of insanity. In this case, if it were not for religion, that region would be totally different.

"You can't be in the right place at the right time if you don't go." -me '91

You're Right About Religion...

but I'm afraid that the region would still be in turmoil, as it has almost always been. It's tribal stife that has cloaked itself in religion and is using it as another reason to see differences in each other so they can continue killing. There was a time when the religoius beliefs were similar, but those seeking to kill in order to gain power just used other reasons.

"I'm the tool of the Government and industry too. For I am destined to rule and regulate you." I'm The Slime. Frank Zappa

see....

I don't get that either - the part where the beliefs
diverged. we find similar words/terms in both religions.
there's halal on one side and kosher on the other. not
sure about other similarities in diet restrictions other
than pork. how similar are the slaughter rituals? do
muslims have the same meat and dairy laws? does anyone
know?

judaism has around 75 words for god, islam has 99. allah
is the same as Elo'ah when traced back. according to the
bible, they are both descended from abraham. WTH is the
problem?!
==

muhammad's last wife was 6

muhammad's last wife was 6 years old, did anyone know that? He was kind enough to wait for her 9th birthday to have sex with her though, how nice. Nothing like a love story to bring a tear to your eye.

That's Good jfrogg

That's Good jfrogg... brief, pointless, inflamatory.

You've outdone yourself.

You're like a poor socially inept retarded child who, failing to understand the conversational context, simply blurts out whatever crosses his mind, however inappropriate.

YOU'RE PATHETIC.

BTW, You cite one interpretation of the Hadith but others put her age at about 19... BUT YOUR CITATION IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE AT STIRRING UP HATRED... GOOD WORK.

Have a Happy

A G

figures -- froggy's little dirty mind seeks out such inflammator

stories...

so what else do you know about Muhammad? Read
the Koran recently?

Or did you rustle this nonsense up from
the Fox perv-in-residence, Bill O'Lielly?

you DO know your idol writes some VERY sick
porn, right?

you probably have a copy of his work, shoved under
your mattress in the trailer...

...........

"He who allows oppression, shares the crime." : Erasmus Darwin

Yeah, sure, and Jeeeezzzzzzusssss.........

....wore his hair long, minced around in sandals, never married (supposedly), wore a bathrobe, leeched off of charity, and hung out with a bunch of other men. Sounds pretty fishy to me. Maybe a little light in the sandals????? HMMMMM?????

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Ha!

"light in the sandals"... Good One!

and hezbollah

has repeatedly stated that they will not rest until israel is destroyed. So which is the bigger problem, israel wanting hezbollah to lay down its arms, or hezbollah wanting israel to not exist???

Given that Hezbollah has only the power to .......

........harrass, distract, annoy, and bother Israel, but that Israel has the power to pretty much destroy Lebanon, the bigger problem would seem to be keeping Israel from doing just that.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

oh my god!!! congrats, thats

oh my god!!! congrats, thats the dumbest thing ive seen today. Israel has every right to defend itself from people that want to destroy it. What if castro shot rockets at miami, would you want restraint then?? What if castro shot rockets at miami for decades and promised to destroy miami, still more restraint???

There is defense, and then there is......

..........agressive annhilation called "defense". There is Hezbollah, and there is the nation of Lebanon. Different things.
Using your analogy, if Fidel and his govenment launched against us, I would respond against the regime, not indiscriminately against the Cubans.
And to be fair, Israel has been much more discriminate than Hezbollah, in part because they have more accurate, more modern weapons.
In WW2, most analysis indicates that only one bomb in a hundred landed within 200 yards of it's target. We do a lot better now, but these low level players don't have the new tech.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

so do you want to go on

so do you want to go on record saying that israel is targeting civilians?

So do you want to go on record as being........

..........incapable of reading and understanding my posts? Too late, you're already there.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Just for the record.

Just for the record, this is a message board, not a chat room.

Just for the record, EVERYTHING written here is, BY DEFINITION, ON THE RECORD... BECAUSE IT'S RECORDED... for the record.

So there's no need to ask if we want to go on the record... because we always are... on the record... because it's all recorded... for the record.

[think jfrogg will understand?]

there you are

"if Fidel and his govenment launched against us, I would respond against the regime, not indiscriminately against the Cubans." says rocklib, thereby insinuating that israel is indicriminately attacking the palestinians.

If cuba, or mexico had some

If cuba, or mexico had some assholes shhoting over rockets, you going to go ask them nicly to stop, right?
See how rediculas your nicy nicy ,blame thinking would pan out?

Cuba aint shooting no little rockets either.

Hey Q-tip

Just NUKE THE RED HEIFER,
and get it over with.

Time is the enemy of truth...JFK Jr.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16

Please stop hezbollah! LMAO

Please stop hezbollah! LMAO They want compromise, israel has tried that hundreds of times in the past. It just doesnt work with people that want you to not exist.

Time to wipe out Hezbollah

The US needs to put a couple of divisions in South Lebanon and along with the Israelis snuff out all Arab resistance. Lets do it now while we got the Muscle.......Whoaaaaa

Lee

Our forces are spread to thin as it is, but this should be under NATO, or the UN. So that way the world can see that we as a people don`t condone this.

Ummm...

Who are you going to send? The fucking Boy Scouts?

We don't have two divisions to commit to anything like that. Shit, we can barely make the existing rotations in Iraq! You've got guys over there pulling forced third tours.

Whoaaaaa yourself. You're so gung-ho, why don't you suit up, Rambo?.. I hear they're hiring.

Have a Happy

A G

Bingo.........11 of our 13 Army......

............Divisions are up to their asses in alligators in Iraq, the other 2 are also busy right about now. Please leave a message and we'll get back to you when we can. Thank you.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

What an ass, "forced" 3rd

What an ass, "forced" 3rd 4th rotations, if you had and care at all for usa, but all you see is that liberal cloud.
I am guessing, but I bet 97% of those "rotations" the guy wanted to go back, not forced, you liberal goof.

Yeah, right, almost everyone.....

.......in the National Guard is thrilled about pulling three tours after being stop-lossed. Sure. What military base do you live near? Ever talk to the service people?
I live a mile from Pearl Harbor, three miles to Hickam AFB, 15 miles to Schofield and Wheeler, 25 miles to Kaneohe MCAS, 5 miles to Schofield Barracks. My wife is retired Navy and a contractor to the military. Friends in the Reserve and active. I found very few who are thrilled about this.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

screw that lee, israel is

screw that lee, israel is doing exactly what needs to be done.

GOOD MORNING JFROGG!

Ready for another day of looking like a fool?

lol whatever dude, i

lol whatever dude, i destroyed your "not everyone's opinion counts" post.

STUPIDER AND STUPIDER AND STUPIDER

Am I supposed to know what the fuck you're talking about?

What are you talking about?

What did I miss?

See? You've made a fool of yourself already!

Less that 15 minutes! A new record!

Have a Happy

A G

Froggy says.....

Israel ran out of places to stay cause it doesn't play well with others.
It never has, it never will.

Time is the enemy of truth...JFK Jr.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16

Such BS around here.Blame

Such BS around here.
Blame religion,blame bush,Blame usa,blame Isreal, your all messed up.

It's like, My idea of fixxing this damn muslim crap.
Burry them , on camrera, publicaly with a pig.
It was done before and they stopped with the uprising.

If some muslslum want's to fricking behead me and think it's a normal death.Then I say we burry them with pigs,lets up the anty damnn it.

As a matter of fact, they should have took that zarkow-weewee filth.
beheaded him, place his head facing away from meca left out of a grave for 4 days, then burry him with a pig with his head still facing away from meca.
gimmie this religios crap, time we started fighting and making them pay, i'll show them the real meaning of infadel, and big ass satan gonna get some pigs .

Cutey-ron figures that America........

......needs to catch up with brutality and corpse abuse......we just aren't primitive and provocative enough. We should give the murderers MORE motivation. Yeah, isn't that kinda like the Prezudunce bleating out "Bring 'em on."? YEP, Bubba, that's what it's like......and look how well THAT'S workin' out. Even P'dunce Bushbaby regrets THAT, but NOOOOOOO, Cutey-Ron wants to make the same stupid mistake over again.
Yo, pinhead, if that tactic worked, then we would have no war today, right? Pay attention.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Just burry them with pigs,

Just burry them with pigs, is all I ask.

They could burry me with anything, but that is thier weakness.

So, what do you have.........

........against pigs?

Then they disembowel and castrate our people, and burn the body. Once you go down that road, you can't very will complain about any horrors perpetrated against YOUR people. And it just doesn't work.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John

Harrah for Israel (the only progressive state in the mid-east)

The Muslims have embraced a Naxi eliminationist ideology. It is a shame that any so called progressives would empathize with these new age naxis. God forbid that Jews for once in their tortured history defend themselves!

the similarities are

the similarities are striking. Didnt the iranian president want people to wear badges that represent their religious beliefs??

NO.

NEVER HAPPENED.

You really need to get out more.

Have a Happy

A G
P.S. It was one of them thar "MYTHS"

ahh, you used the right word

ahh, you used the right word this time, or did you mean epic??

no dear, that was YOUR hero

Adolf whatsisname..

"He who allows oppression, shares the crime." : Erasmus Darwin

mkaufma...

You have a point, but this rationale will bouce back and forth, as each side uses it to create more violence. You and I know that.

Doesn't that only leave PEACE as the alternative, no matter how much restraint that would take?

I relate to what you say;

I relate to what you say; but I feel Israel has no options. They live in are in tough neighborhood. They've as jerry Springer pointed out exchanged prisoners before; that approach hasn't worked. What people fail to realize is that with the amount fo firepower they have, they do excersize restraint. SAll this said Israel like nearly everyone on the planet has made mistakes. I hope this action isn't another one.

That would be Nazi.....and there is no.....

........rational indication that ALL MUSLIMS are in favor of exterminating Jews.
Jews and the nation of Israel have defended themselves just fine for decades now.
This skirmish, too, will pass before long, even though the FAUX sNOOZE crowd are touting this as WW3 or 4 or even 5. I guess we have to pick. It's not that at all. Not if we intervene with some good, ole' fashioned diplomacy......but this admuddlestration is pretty handicapped when it comes to diplomacy.....they have something called Dim-plomacy. "Duh, I'm frum Amurica and I t'ink I kin hep ya'll......whaddaya say, bubba?"

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

I don't believe all Muslims

I don't believe all Muslims favor that, but many do. The Palestinian Television has braodcast virulent and crude anti Semetic hate speach for years. Sure Israel bares some responcibility here, but one must consider the fact that since Israels incarnation many Arabs have advocated driving the Jews into the sea/

And not all white Americans.......

........handle snakes as a religious requirement, live in trailer parks, smoke meth, watch Nascar races, drink lite beer from cans, consider McDonald's with the wife to be "dining out". But some do.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Yet even more brainwashed

Yet even more brainwashed blaber, get real.

How about someone shoot your windows out of your house, you go outside, they say give us your car and we get to burn down your house or we kill your family.

There, now, diplomatize yourself out of that,because thats the way things work.
These guys blend in with the public,how about just going in and kill EVERY moving thing and let the international idiots stop isreal for once.
Lets see those flaky ass mus-slums fight for once,lets see them not hide in the public, and or take the heat for all those innocent people dieng because they hide.

I am now 95% hating mus-slums, they suck, they don't stand up for ANY humainty, they just want people to see how powerfull they are.
Before the towers, I could careless about those lowest forms of humans around, even worse than hitler.

Hey, Mr. Expert........how much .........

.........time have YOU spent in the middle east? How do YOU know how people think, as it doesn't appear that you engage in that particular activity. You are making a lot of silly accusations and characterizations, with no evidence or corroboration. Get a clue. Rent one, if you have to.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Why is everyone always picking on Israel....?

Jews are the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure to know. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. Damn, its that simple...

Israel is a nation, Jews are a religion.....

..........the United States is a nation, Americans are the citizens. Many people around the world make the distinction every day....I think WE can refine our world view accordingly.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

some are, some aren't....

like everyone else.

two words: rupert murdoch
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Who in theier right mind would go to the Middle East..?

And I gotta foot the bill for their evacuation..? They are probably Hezbollah supporters along with their relatives they are visiting. The State Department tells them its not safe to go to the Middle
East. Can you say "Shit for Brains"

Well, yes, you DO have to pay the bill.....

..............so suck it up. I also have to foot the bill for Dunderhead in Chief and his pseudowar in Iraq. So, stuff it.
And, yes, I CAN say shit for brains....I pronounce it Lee 196519

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Yeah!

-$8,000,000,000,000 down a fucking rat hole and this clown's bitching about spending a few bucks RESCUING AMERICAN CITIZENS FROM A WAR ZONE... hmmm... compassionate conservatism, I suppose.

Lee_196519 wrote: [["Can you say "Shit for Brains""]]

Yeah, I can. I do it all the time.

"PRESIDENT SHIT-FOR-BRAINS"
"PRESIDENT SHIT-FOR-BRAINS"
"PRESIDENT SHIT-FOR-BRAINS"

Have a Happy

A G

Ouch, RockLib....!!!

Taking me behind the woodshed again....

I see.

I see you heard Rush limbaugh read Debbie Schlussel's Blog.

[["And I gotta foot the bill for their evacuation..?"]]

No... You could just leave your fellow citizens there to die.

Fellow citizens who are being shot at by........

............self propelled 155mm howitzers. They and their ammo are largely paid for by the 2.5 Billion dollars per year of direct aid and another billion or so if training and other military aid. The planes are US F16s, also paid for in part with US aid money.
So, since there aren't likely too many other nations who would foot the bill for their evacuation, the US government is sorta obliged to save US citizens from US war materiel.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

Ya? those little pussys aere

Ya? those little pussys are shooting russia made rockets,and Iran made rockets, woo fn hooo.
I hope we have Isreal stocked up so bad and they use it all, who cares anymore anyway.
Oh except for blaming usa on just about every matter.
Yall can jump off buildings, your free, so help yourselves, and make sure it's an american made building and i'll get micheal moore to film your jump.

Well, since those little pussy rockets........

.......only kill six or eight Israelis at a time, what's the worry? Oh, the fact that they have maybe 14,000 of them? Might that make the Israelis a little nervous?
9/11 was pulled off with only boxcutters and a lot of chutzpah.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.

"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John

A little prayer - Thank

A little prayer -

Thank you, Lord, for giving us the sense and the intelligence not to believe the contard lies. Please lead us out of denial and let us not fall for the GOP fearmongering. Lead us not into temptation to exploit the poor and misguided by selling out to the big corporations; and deliver us from Dick Cheney. For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever.

Amen.

Israel claims Iran link to crisis

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5192990.stm

Israel claims Iran link to crisis
Israeli forces near Safed fire at Lebanon on Tuesday
Israel launched its assault and blockade a week ago
Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers last week was timed to divert attention from Tehran's nuclear programme, the Israeli PM has claimed.

Ehud Olmert said that the cross-border raid in which the two soldiers were taken and eight others killed was co-ordinated with Tehran.

About 30 people died in a seventh day of conflict, most of them in Lebanon.

US President George W Bush has meanwhile accused Syria of trying to use the crisis to return to Lebanon.

"Syria is trying to get back into Lebanon, it looks like to me," Mr Bush said in Washington.

Time is the enemy of truth...JFK Jr.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16

"Just Reward"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5193228.stm

The trigger for Israel's operation "Just Reward" was the capture of two Israeli soldiers, but just as its operation in Gaza (triggered in exactly the same way) quickly widened into something more comprehensive, so its assault on Lebanon now has a much bigger purpose.

Israel wants to deliver a decisive blow to Hezbollah, destroying much of the arsenal of rockets acquired from Iran and Syria by the Shia militia since Israel pulled out of southern Lebanon in 2000.

It then wants to see the organisation disarmed and disbanded, in line with the terms of UN Security Council Resolution 1559, passed in September 2004.

Destroyed and damaged buildings in Beirut suburbs
The assault on Beirut shows no sign of abating

According to Mrs Livni, Israel also wants to see the effective deployment of the Lebanese army throughout southern Lebanon, and wants to be sure that Iran and Syria are not able to rearm Hezbollah in the future.

Time is the enemy of truth...JFK Jr.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16

Hizbollah are to blame for Lebanese civilians dying

A fact that most everyone here seems to be ignoring; Hizbolla are hiding, storing their rockets and firing them from within Lebanese villages, from the heart of civilian populations. Israel is doing the best it can do avoid hitting civilians; but we can no longer just sit back and take civilian casualties on our end.

exactly. Is israel suppose

exactly. Is israel suppose to just let them go? Hell no, they have tried that in the past with no success.

just let them go? Hell no,

Hell no, they have tried that in the past with no success.
Submitted by jfrogg on July 19, 2006 - 9:47am

So you compare this to when Rumsfeld and Bushco War Machine Incorporated let bin Ladden get away at Tora-Bora for lack of planning and support??

Or when we left Afganistan too early cause BUSH HAD TO attack Iraq. The Taliban and US will share a bumper crop of Opium Poppy this year.
Thank the GOV for your neighborhood heroin addict. They don't call him 'Poppy" for nuttin'.

quetron

Insane, boring... insanely boring.

HEY CONTARD! Give us a few more irrelevent analogies.

How about "What would you do if Canadians started shooting your kid sister with spit-balls? Would you shoot spit-balls back or hit him over the head with your copy of "catcher In The Rye"? Or "What if an Italian cut in line at the doughnut shop and got the last Bear Claw? Would you just take it or would you let the air out of his tires while he was at the register?"... pointless drivel.

EARTH TO QUETRON... EARTH TO QUETRON... COME IN QUETRON

HEY CONTARD! Here's a news flash for ya. WE LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD. The U.S. is FAR from omnipotent (look it up Contard), in fact we are weaker militarily than at any time in my life (heck of a job Bushie!). We can simply wave our magic wand and make the world bow before us ONLY IN YOUR MIND.

The kind of "BRING IT ON" bravado you display, and your MENTALLY ILL visions of dessicration ONLY SERVE TO GET MY NEIGHBOR'S KIDS KILLED SO MY NEIGHBOR'S KIDS WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Hey Rambo, you're so Gung-Ho, why don't you suit up? I hear they're hiring.

Have a Happy

A G

Weaker Militarily???

You really need to clearify this statement.

What's to clarify?

It's obvious. This is no secret. It's not even close to being a secret.

I'm just repeating what all the retired military are saying and HAVE been saying for quite some time now (only the retired ones are free to speak openly).

But to clarify, I was refering specifically to Troop Strength. We have the lowest number readily deployable ground forces than at any time I can remember.

Have a Happy

A G

Strength

That is exactly what I thought you meant, but wouldn't
that be a true statement during any type of major
conflict throughout time, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

A G, I like it more when you're an angry LIB.
Go have another Red Bull and get fired up, and
also stop stating the complete obvious that only
amounts to common sense.

Have a Happy Day

Whatever, ... believe what you want.

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which is why....

we have to keep the nazis, the gang members, the mental
deficients, and the criminals in the military - AND pay
mercenaries up to $4000 a month to take up the slack.

one of the hidden costs of 'privatizing' the war: we
pay through the nose for training soldiers, many of
whom are then hired away by civilian armies - like
blackwater - at a 300% pay increase. can't blame them
really....at least the private companies give their
guys the best equipment money can buy.
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