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Emphatically Unsolicited Advice for the Democratic Campaigns

By Rachel Maddow

Dear Potential Democratic Presidential Nominees:

FDR wheelchairIn January 1941, at a time when the world was at war and the United States was more threatened than we had ever been in our history, FDR stood before the US Congress and hailed freedom from fear. That remains the paradigm of Democratic leadership in a threatening world.

When a politician looks at risks to our country and sees an opportunity for political exploitation, rather than an opportunity to rally the nation around our unified strength and fearlessness, that politician spits in the face of Democratic leadership and patriotic values.

If there's one thing we ought to have learned from the George W. Bush presidency, it's that there's a difference between Democrats and Republicans on whether the American people should be encouraged to cower in fear.

If you don't get that fundamental difference between Democratic values and Republican values right now?  You shouldn't get the Democratic nomination for President. In fact, you probably should get the freak out of the Democratic party.

Your humble servant,

Rachel

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Clinton is a Republican at heart

Indeed, the fear mongering sleaze merchant HRC has always been a Republican at heart.  That is not as big a problem as the disturbing number of scared Democrats who all too easily let their base prejudices and phobias be so blatantly pandered to, and who ignore their better judgment and support someone who thinks so little of them and does not have their best interests in mind.  How soon people forget who was a cheerleader for NAFTA, who has capitulated to Bush at every opportunity, who has the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on her hands, who is the establisment agent representing stasis instead of change. 

She is perfectly willing to rip her party apart and squelch the climate of optimism liberals have at long last begun to feel in her vainglorious pursuit of a crown she believes she's entitled to.  She sees the Office of President as her just reward for being Hillary Clinton, rather than as a position from which one can finally begin to set things right in this country.  By christ, if she can't win the game, she's not only going to take the ball with her, she's going to puncture it and shred it to ribbons.

While Reagan had his Morning in America, Clinton has her It's 3:00AM and Evil Lurks in the Dark Waiting to Eat Your Children vision of fear and hate.

 

Disclaimer:  I am not a Democrat and am perfectly happy to see that pusillanimous barrel of defeatist jellyfish get what they have coming to them.  How so many people aren't fed up with them and don't get instead behind people of vision, decency, and integrity like Ralph Nader is beyond me.

The Case FOR Superdelegate Independence

Someone (well, me) has captured my frustration at hearing Rachel and others lobby to have the superdelegates follow the popular vote for their state. Here's the case for the other side, at http://guttersnipes.blogspot.com/

Monday, March 24, 2008The Case for Superdelegate Independence - March 24, 2008

The Case for Superdelegate Independence (or "The Voters Couldn't Decide, So Somebody Has To")

I have been hearing a really annoying argument making the rounds ever since it became clear that neither Hillary nor Obama is going to take the nomination on pledged delegates.

It seems that some of the luminaries of our great Democratic Party (hey, right-wing radio, there is an IC on the end of our party name--it's the democrat-ic party, not the democrat party--deal with it) and various lefty-liberal radio personalities (sorry Rachel Maddow) are insisting that the superdelegates should follow the popular vote and go as the pledged delegates go for their state/county/whatever. Intuitively, this sounds like a very democratic notion, right? If you got more votes, you should win, yes?

No. Under the existing rules for the primary process, asking the superdelegates to follow the pledges is very undemocratic and runs counter to their purpose. Here's why:

1. IT DISTORTS PROPORTIONALITY. It is the electoral college writ local. The Democratic nominating process allocates pledged delegates according to proportionality. If you require that the superdelegates vote, en masse, for whoever got the majority of the popular vote, then it is no longer proportional voting, it is proportional voting with a "winner takes all" bonus round. It gives the voters who happen to be part of the majority in their district a bigger say in the nationwide delegate tally than those who happened to be in the minority. The Democratic party rules calls for proportional voting to avoid just this sort of distortion and the "cherry-picking" of states that goes on in the electoral college in the general election.

2. Caucuses. (Can you ask for a more unrepresentative voting mechanism?) This magnifies the proportionality distortion problem, from planet-sized to galaxy-sized. It is a smaller voter sample, with even greater distortion of voting power.

3. Delegate independence. Though it's considered poor form to change a vote, pledged delegates are under no obligation to vote as they are pledged, only to make a best effort to represent the wishes of their state. Why should superdelegates not have the same perogative?

4. Endorsements. Superdelegates are often party VIPs, whose endorsements arguably have some sway. Why are we making the case that these folks can endorse one candidate, and be forced to vote for a different one during convention?

5. Having the "most" votes does not mean having "enough" votes. Whether you are ten votes from the "magic number" or 1,000 votes away, you still haven't "finished the foot-race". If there is a mile-long race, and nobody crosses the finish line by running the entire mile, you don't hand the gold medal to the person who came closest. Neither Hillary, nor Obama has reached the "magic number", so neither one is more entitled to be the nominee than Dennis Kucinich. Superdelegates were meant for exactly this purpose--to represent the interests of the entire party, especially if the voters don't settle on a nominee. (Imagine for a moment that Huckabee had managed to secure a near-draw with McCain like this on the Republican side. Do you think for a moment that the spotlight would be on McCain? No, it would be on the guy breathing down his neck.)

6. Voice of the Voters is Sancrosanct, except when it's not. If the voice of the popular vote is so important, why deny any delegates (FL, MI) seating at the convention? And why did those states lose their superdelegates too? And why would we permit the pledged delegates of a candidate who has dropped out (John Edwards) to vote for someone else at the convention?

7. Voter multipliers. You get to vote more than once. Superdelegates multiply your voting power, but fairly, because they are elected too. Unlike the proportionality distortion issue, these "S" voters multiply the majority voting power of all registered Democratic voters, not just the people who picked the winning side in the primary (or the teeny, tiny group that caucused).

8. Dump the "free-riders". Again, because they are elected by Democratic voters (and others with similar interests), the superdelegates help magnify the voting power of Democratic party voters. If your state happens to have a Democratic governor, and two Democratic senators, for example, and you voted for these fine politicians, then presumably they are more likely to vote the way you would in the primary. This adds voting power to you as a DEMOCRATIC PARTY voter, and helps dilute the voting power of those Republican, Libertarian, Conservative, Working Party, Green Party and Independent Party voters who switched party affiliation just to tamper with YOUR party primary. Take that, you party-poopers!

The Democratic Party is not a small-d democratic organization. It is not there to serve the interests of all voters, only the political interests of registered party members. The superdelegates are there to magnify the influence of Democrats. Therefore they must take responsibility not only for the majority interest in the primary, but for the interests of those Democrats (and others with Democratic preferences) who voted for them, as well as the long-term and political objectives of the party.

(Full Disclosure: I am a Hillary Clinton supporter, a life-long registered Democrat, a supporter of superdelegate independence, a supporter of the electoral college, and have worked on one Democratic Congressional Campaign in New York whose candidate did not make the ballot due to technical challenges. I support a single national primary election date, or rotating regional primaries, and same-day registration. By my calculation, less than 50% of my primary vote will count in New York under current rules without superdelegate influence).

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I'll never forgive either of them.

At a time when we need serious leadership for a progressive attack on the conservatives who have been wrecking our country, these two have turned this election into a personality contest.  Neither one of them has acknowledged the depth of the problems we face and the job at hand, and both of them have insulted the people they will need the most to get it done.

Worse, they've increased the likelihood that McCain will actually win in November, which is right now the only thing that looks worse than having either one of them.

What a couple of selfish, over-ambitious ego-trippers.  I'm so sick of people who put their careers above the future of our entire country.

AC
More liberal media at The Sideshow.

I'm with you on

"needing a serious leadership for a progressive attack," applying to both.

 In general, however, I think this "Dear CandidateS" and "THEY have made it about personalities," stuff, gets to be disingenuous. Most of the food, as someone said in another context on dailykos, has been coming from one side of the cafeteria.

Throw the entire kitchen with the kitchen sick!

Politicians are all the same in the end.  They seem have personal interest first, career positioning is involved in every step they make from day one.  Any one of them will do anything and say anything to get elected.  All the people new to the political bandwagon have no idea that you can stand on a podium and say you will do this and change that, but in the end, they don;t have the final word.  The chances of anything getting changed or improved is close to zero when partisan politics rears its ugly head. 

The front runner has the advantage of not having to come up with desperate measures to win votes.  Who is to say that if the roles were reversed, he would not do the same thing, in the name of getting elected?  And to think that with his lack of experience that in this time of crisis that he will not have to turn to people in Washington that have the knowledge, is ludicrous.  With that, "change" goes out the window. 

Until McCain wipes the brown from Bush's butt of his nose, I don;t see anything changing on that side of the fence either.  OK, maybe he has a drop more dignity and the sneaking around behind closed doors might decrease, but it will be politics as usual.  Unfortunately, the American people lose again.

Oh, he's slick.

Who is to say that if the roles were reversed, he would not do the same thing, in the name of getting elected?

He did, you just didn't notice. Obama has been using numerous clever and destructive tricks to establish his position in the race, but they've been full of subtle dog-whistles, manipulation, and of course exploiting identity politics and sexism. Most people haven't noticed, and since the media hates Hillary, we get the usual phenomenon of every move she makes being put under the microscope. She can't have a facial expression without someone telling us how cynical she is, what a bitch she is, how emotional she is. In any moment where it's Obama vs. Hillary, she's the bad guy.

And he pretends to rise above it, of course. We'll see how that works for him when his only opposition is actual Republicans.

Bill Clinton was called "slick" because people who had tried to get him investigated, locked up, or at least voted out with trumped-up charges, lost that battle - because there was never anything to investigate, it was all lies. But Obama really is slick, because what he does is so subtle that most folks don't even see what he's doing.

Some people think he's just doing this so he can get into the White House and then govern as a progressive. Heard it before. It worked for Tony Blair - the idea that he was doing that, that is. But in fact he was just as right-wing as he said he was.

Maybe Obama is different, but I doubt it. He is refusing the opportunity to redefine the debate and promote a more progressive discourse, and that means he is no help to us.

AC
More liberal media at The Sideshow.

RE: He is slick

He did, you just didn't notice.

I think I have been noticing all along, but I am not allowed to express my opinion or state the obvious because that would make me a racist * wink *  It seems true that cult leader can never do any wrong in the eyes of the followers.  To dislike one candidate so much that you accept the flaws of another seems insulting to me.  But what do I know, it is politics as usual here on a daily basis in good old DC.

I could not agree more with your comments about HRC being put under a microscope.  When will the media start treating him like any other political candidate?   The shoe has to drop eventually and then what, "oh, can I change my vote"  ???  Um, no sheeple, it is too late now.

Thanks for the insightful reply.

November elections

I'm convinced it's all moot:  there won't be an election.  Here's the text of a message I just sent Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker Pelosi,
  I write to urge you once again to do your sworn duty to uphold our Constitution and bring impeachment proceedings against V.P. Cheney and Pres. Bush.  I have two general reasons for urging you to do so at this time.
  First, if Congress continues to allow the White House to preempt government functions that Constitutionally belong to the legislative branch, -- to rewrite laws, to lie to Congress, and to defy Congressional summonses to appear and testify, then your branch of government has paved the way for the next imperial executive to go even farther in that direction.  I recommend the current issue of Vanity Fair for an update on the latest Bush administration lies to your institution, regarding supplying arms to Palestinian forces.
  Second, if you are familiar with Presidential Directive 51, in which Pres. Bush arrogates to himself the power to suspend the Constitution and declare martial law in the event of an emergency dire enough to warrant such action -- as so defined by himself -- then I also recommend you look into the activities of an entity called InfraGard, which has the FBI deputizing private businesses with power to use lethal force with impunity in the event of such an emergency; and into the extra-Constitutional U.S. Northern Command, which declares itself ready to implement martial law, and is (unConstitutionally) both a military and a police force.
  I fear this administration is planning to concoct an emergency, suspend the rule of law, and cancel the November elections.  They will then proceed to make war on Iran and whatever other international power they choose.  The only way I can imagine to forestall this grim scenario is to begin impeachment proceedings now.
  Alternatively, if you are concerned with political repercussions, you don't even have to call it impeachment hearings -- just hold hearings on any one of a dozen instances of Bush White House lawbreaking:  unlawful spying on Americans; the use of torture and special rendition; Abu Ghraib; the suspension of habeas corpus; the politicization of the U.S. Justice Department and the unlawful firing of U.S. attorneys for political purposes; the leaking of the identity of a CIA operative for political purposes; lying to Congress about weapons of mass destruction; and now, once again lying to Congress by denying that they supplied lethal force weaponry to Palestinian forces.  The result of any valid hearing will show impeachable offenses.
  Speaker Pelosi, the U.S. Constitution requires that you and your House take action against a President who breaks the law, in order to preserve the union and defend our Constitutional republic.  Please, once again, do your duty.

Submitted by Matthews_Execration on March 5, 2008 - 10:16am

Submitted by Avedon on March 5, 2008 - 9:28am

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The best part is that you've now both said you "can see it", but you've provided not one single, concrete example as evidence to support your claim.

 

Am I saying you're just making shit up?

That he isn't doing what you are "seeing" (which nobody else can)?

No.

 

But a concrete example or two might help to bolster a case that is easily dismissed on lack of evidence.

JMO.

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--Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)

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RE

His subtle references to race in his Selma speech equates him to Al Gore inventing the Intrawebs. He also has made references to not spending his early years wanting to be president.  He has spoken about it in some of his early law school speeches, and a 3rd grade teacher quoted his as a kid saying he wanted to be president.  He is subtle in his change in stance on gun control, his comments on Taliban weapons, and his comment on Rockefeller's Iraq vote.  There are a few examples for you.

Good work, GOP

You knew you couldn't win in a straight contest, so you did an end-zone sneak, went to the Democratic column and voted in large numbers for Hillary, believing she would be the easiest candidate for your warmonger/corporate whore to beat come November.  So much for being the party of ethics and morality.  So much for strength of your convictions. 

 

Now, because of this abhorrent, cowardly tactic, I'm seriously considering changing my registration from Green to Democrat and voting for Obama, as much as it pains me to do so.  So...feel like you accomplished something?

 

:long: 

 

I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!

Republicans voting in the Dem primary

Maybe that's why we have all those superdelegates!  To counter those delegates that were elected by voters with nefarious intent. 

I VOTED YESTERDAY!

For Hillary, but not because I thought she would be weaker against McCain. I would rather have her than Obama is all. I think he would be a puss with foreign policy. If Hillary wins it all, it won't be so so bad. If she ends up not getting the nomination, she will at least be in the race long enough for Obama's weaknesses to be more exposed as they tear each other apart. It's a no lose situation.

I don't think so

If I have my history right, the super delegate system was created after the McGovern campaign mostly so the DLC, or whatever the equivalent was called in those days, could keep out that pesky progressive element.  I wouldn't swear to it, but I don't think this unethical strategic cross-over BS by the GOP was rampant back in those days, so it probably wouldn't have been much of a factor in creating the positions.  However, now that the Republicans have descended en masse into the sophistry of "oh, we just think Hillary is the best candidate", the Super-D's may indeed be able to cancel them out.

 

Unfortunately, the candidates those unelected power-brokers are likely to back will, I think, reflect the pro-corporate mindset of the Dem's true handlers.  So once again We, the People lose.

 

Addendum:  Apparently, I was wrong about the history of superdelegates, but not so much about the ultimate effect, which was to channel the selection process towards "insiders" (ie, corporate toadies). 

 

I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!

Submitted by capn_crusty on March 5, 2008 - 2:28pm

From your link (emphasis mine):

After the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the Democratic Party implemented changes in its delegate selection process, based on the work of the McGovern-Fraser Commission. The purpose of the changes was to make the composition of the convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination.

Isn't it great that the Democratic Party (given the desire by Team Clinton to use supers to overturn the will of Democratic primary voters) appears poised to celebrate the 40-year anniversary of that mess by...

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wait for it...

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by getting ready to allow more control by party leaders and being less responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination?

 

Ya just gotta love it.

 

And it appears to be happening to the supporters of the candidate from...

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wait again...

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Chicago, Illinois.

 

It's almost too much to take. I dare the Party leaders to do that.

What they will have forced upon the poor people of Denver in their city streets come August...

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"Helping a rogue president start an unnecessary war should be a career-ending lapse of judgment."

--Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)

The irony and the implications...

...were not lost on Ye Cap'n.  What a whacky country, eh?

 

:-P

 

I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!

Submitted by capn_crusty on March 5, 2008 - 3:12pm

What a whacky country, eh?

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Would you have it any other way?

Okay. So, maybe I'd prefer a populace that had a stronger desire for Democracy and less of a willingness to accept Dynasty in the control of our White House by the same two political families for more than three decades. But I can dare to dream, can't I?

:-p

____________________

"Helping a rogue president start an unnecessary war should be a career-ending lapse of judgment."

--Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)

You mean...

...would I rather have a country wherein the officers of the over-arching cooperative effort (ie, "government") was more responsive to the citizenry, and, conversely, the electorate was more responsive to reason rather than self-interest in exclusion of all else?  Call me a goof, but yeah, I would.

 

:cheese:

 

I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!

Submitted by capn_crusty on March 5, 2008 - 3:46pm

:fromage:

This sure was a nice break from the rough-and-tumble of the frontpage... grazie.

:-)

____________________

"Helping a rogue president start an unnecessary war should be a career-ending lapse of judgment."

--Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)

I won't say it.

I won't say hooray! yipee! That might discourage you.

In case I was unclear...

...I may--may--vote to keep O'Bammaugh (the Irish guy) in the race, but when it comes to the final vote this November, I plan on keeping my options open.  Hell, I might even vote for McKinney; I like tough broads!

 

:cheese:

 

I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!

Professors for Obama?

Rachel, the next time Uncle Pat outrageously asserts that Obama backers are all members of the professoriate, please be sure to mention that if that were in fact the case, then the nation's unemployment rate would be sky high, because there would be a heckuva lot of us in need of jobs!  What a bozo.

Re: superdelegates

Cap'n, I guess you weren't "too lazy to Google it yourself," it being the history of the superdelegates.  You shoulda' phoned in to Ask Dr. Maddow!

:p 

Blush

Actually, I "Wikied" it.  But close enough.

 

If I ever "Ask Dr Maddow", it'll be over something important, like the history and meaning of that thing where a person puts two fingers up behind the head of another person, suggesting horns, ears or antennae, usually in such a way that the latter is unaware of it.  What's up with that, anyway?

 

;-P

 

I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!

Rachel

You know I have been listening to Rachel since she was on in the mornings, and I have to say I think she has been spending a little ( a lot ) too much time on CNBC.  She is making less and less sense.  She seems to be arguing that HRC should be the nominee and that Barack Obama should just quit now and hope to be the VP.  She is trying really hard not to say it that way but she has had to stop herself several times mid-sentance from saying exactly that.  Anybody else noticing this or is it just me?

foneric, it's just you

You've completely misunderstood Rachel's point.  Rachel is disheartened Clinton insists on dragging this out, playing dirty, and dividing the party, when she has no chance of winning and should step aside, endorse Obama, unite the party, and help it prepare for battle with the Republicans this fall.

See I would take it that way

See I would take it that way if she hadn't said specifically that she sees no scenerio where Barack Obama is able to get enough delagates for the nomination.  That sounds a lot more like she is thinking he should drop out.  Could still be me, but I don't think so.

I second the motion on the floor

I'm very disheartened to see Democratic candidates taking a page from the Rove playbook. I hope we're not about to be treated to six more weeks of this in the land of Punxsutawney Phil; this is really beneath both of them.

Perhaps someone should hand both candidates a compilation of Winston Churchill's speeches -- from a time when his country faced far worse yet absolutely refused to be intimidated.

Tough Rachel

Rachel's last paragraph is tough, maybe a bit of a nasty ending too.  Well, I think the fundamental difference between Democratic values and Republican values is that Republicans fight harder in these contests.  Republicans fight to win.  I like that Hillary is a fighter in this contest and that's what is needed when the bigger contest starts.  If we were more fearful, we'd fight harder to win.  Too many people here and on Randi's show are nasty against the woman who knows how to fight the hardest.  She's made Obama a better candidate throughout this process, but he still isn't the best candidate to win once he gets into the general election and he really gets shredded. 

If Obama is the nominee against McCain, the contest will be about the Iraq war and Obama has no credentials compared to McCain.  Fear will be a huge factor played by McCain against.  In a scenario of Obama vs. McCain, we'll be fighting the war over and over and never get to other issues like the economy or healthcare or immigration. Obama will claim "honor" because he was against the war. (remember he didn't have a vote on this.) McCain claims we need to win the war to be honorable and get out of it.  The election will be about the war and honor.  This is what men fight over.  Yes, the war is an important issue, but with Hillary we'll get more fight on other issues too. The Republicans will define the issue of war against Obama.  If it's Hillary vs McCain, Hillary will make the economy the issue, as the 100 year war drains our economy. Both voted for the war, so McCain has a losing battle if that is his only strength.  She can beat McCain on the economy because he's already claimed he doesn't know much.  He's already defined himself on that. 

And, isn't the real contest in the general election about the electoral college votes?  That's where the Super delegates SHOULD decide who would be the nominee...whoever can win electoral college votes. I don't know this answer, but am suggesting to look at the bigger picture.  Forget the personality issues and who you love or hate and fall in line to win against the Republicans.

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