Open Thread

By Booman Tribune

What do you think the main themes of the presidential campaign will be?

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(99)

FRist or better to open!

I think if history is any teacher, the G0P will do exactly what they've done this past week: try for those uneducated working-class whites that they say Obama will never convince. They will be all about the usual things that distract loyal contards from the real issues: keep those evil gays in their place, Obama's a Muslim, and the occupation is working. I wouldn't be surprised to see a BIG drop in gas prices around September or October.

As for the Dems, I think Obama has already set the course for his campaign. The economy first. He will need to get into specifics of what he is to do about outsourcing, restoring protection for labor, etc. Iraq second. Likewise I think if Obama is the nominee, he'd better start talking about his exit plan. Also, I'd like to see health care and education a little more visible in this campaign.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Big drop

all the way down to $3.89. You didn't think we'd ever see the 2s again did you?

A theme.

No more failed Bush policies.

Will Be?

Or should be?

I think the main theme should be a discussion of Bush-McCain Republican policies that have helped lead to a floundering economy that is tied to runaway spending in Iraq on an unnecessary war of choice that keeps us from addressing important issues like healthcare, rising gas prices, crumbling infrastructure, and climate change. The major issues folks are focusing on should be wrapped up neatly and tied under a bow to the unpopular war that serves as a distraction from them.

But I think the main themes will probably be flag lapel pins, pastors and all the other nonsense that the TradMed uses to distract the American people from the real issues they face...
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Obama has already set forth his exit plan.

I guess you have never actually been to his web-site, LiberalIconoclast.

He needs to PUBLICIZE it

BTW Hatey, can you tell me the specifics of YOUR candidate's platform?

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclast May 14, 2008 - 1:37pm

The crazy thing is, I think Barack is hatey's candidate. That is, if he was being honest about it during his time here as one of his many other incarnations. A big "if", to be sure...
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tQuick hold my beer while I vote!!

Well that sums it up. We have to address the education system in our country. We have become a bunch of lame ass fat burgers addicted to PS-3 and blogging. We need to be more astute on race relations so that we can -dammit put up with each others shit...lol Next we need to some how take crude oil of the commodities market. Our dollar is the laughing stock of the world market now. How do we strengthen the dollar? STOP LOWERING INTEREST RATES! We are too poor from paying for gas to buy a freaking house. Next screw the tree huggers and drill offshore. Its funny how India, china, and Mexico are doing it just miles off of our coast but we can’t!!
Next will be healthcare this would be my proposal: If you are with a company now you got 1 month to choose a plan otherwise we (the company) will choose for you at your cost of course. Most working class people over 35 have families and have good healthcare. Others under 30 opt out. If you opt out under my plan you would have to either pay full price, or have a plan chosen for you by the gov( at state level). Next the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Leave them there for now, but have a timetable within a yr to bring my brothers home! So what do you think?

That Barack Obama

is friends with an unrepentant murderer. Whose bomb killed several people. Someone he knew for years.

he was 8 fucking yra old

he was 8 fucking yra old asshole!!! get off of that!!

By CandymarlMay 14, 2008 - 1:52pm

Your smears won't work any better in the general than they did in the last two special elections where Democrats won in traditionally red districts.

Better luck next time, FReeper.

re: By Candymarl May 14, 2008 - 1:52pm

Wah! Wah! Wah!

Do you want cheese with that whine?

Another sore loser.

Obama's magic number is 10! All he needs are ten more pledged delegates, and Hillary will not be able to beat him in pledged delegates!

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

Guilty by associaltion??!?!?

Just because he knows him doesnt mean he goes to bed with him. You just the kind of poeple who I say need to be educated about character and race. You are just trying to find any reason at all. I can be the same way about Mccains flip flopping and I am gonna sy it. He's forgetfull cuz he's fucking old!!!

By fourteenaces May 14, 2008 - 2:07pm

You'll have to excuse Candymarl. In all its time spent trashing Obama for being eight years old when some guy was a member of some "radical" organization, it has yet to come across the fact that the candidate it supports, Hillary Clinton, was in our White House when, and didn't act in any manner as First Lady to prevent, her husband gave pardons to convicted members of that very organization.
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The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

Listen Iran:

It is highly probable that the US will attack you in the coming months for political reasons.

If you read the PNAC documents you realize that the neocons wanted something like 9/11 to happen. They used 9/11 to launch an unrelated war against Iraq. The Bush administration thought this would be a done deal and secure the republican brand but it failed. The US decided to occupy Iraq and get bogged down.

Some believe the attacks on 9/11 were staged by the US government. Others believe the US leadership allowed the plan to happen with little or no help from the US government. The latter is often dismissed by those that dismiss the former. The 9/11 "truthers" have aided the neocons by putting forward every conspiracy theory imaginable, causing the general public to dismiss any allegations of the Bush administration negligence or complicity. Either way the neocons were happy to take advantage of the attacks of 9/11.

Now to deflect from the disaster the Bush administration has caused in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kurdistan, etc. the neocons want to attack Iran. A fresh new war will supposedly raise patriotic sentiment and the approval ratings of the current president. The neocons hope this will help McCain and the congressional races. The American public is clearly not going to approve of more needless war. But the Bush administration is not good at assessing situations. Just as they got bogged down in Iraq they will likely proceed with an attack on Iran.

Message to Iran: Do not retaliate! Do not fire one bullet or missile back! The US government will disregard the argument of who fired first and use images of attacks from Iran as propaganda to drum up support. Do not fire back! Go to the world community! Go to the UN! Bring evidence of the destruction the US causes you. By showing restraint you will disprove the allegations of the conservatives in both the US and Israel that you are aggressive. Show restraint and win the support of the world community and help put an end to the illegal warfare perpetrated by the US.

Have your ambassadors ready to deliver pictures and evidence of US attacks to all embassies. Concentrate on this task rather than a fruitless retaliation that will bring more attacks and destruction to your people. Prepare your people for this planned response so that they know you are dealing a blow to the plans of the neocons more effectively than any missile strike on a US ship could ever do.

Domestic spying far outpaces terrorism prosecutions

Domestic spying far outpaces terrorism prosecutions
By Richard B. Schmitt
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 12, 2008
Link: I have a link but AAR site won't let me post it for some reason.

The number of Americans being secretly wiretapped or having their financial and other records reviewed by the government has continued to increase as officials aggressively use powers approved after the Sept. 11 attacks. But the number of terrorism prosecutions ending up in court -- one measure of the effectiveness of such sleuthing -- has continued to decline, in some cases precipitously.

The trends, visible in new government data and a private analysis of Justice Department records, are worrisome to civil liberties groups and some legal scholars. They say it is further evidence that the government has compromised the privacy rights of ordinary citizens without much to show for it.

The emphasis on spy programs also is starting to give pause to some members of Congress who fear the government is investing too much in anti-terrorism programs at the expense of traditional crime-fighting. Other lawmakers are raising questions about how well the FBI is performing its counter-terrorism mission.

The Senate Intelligence Committee last week concluded that the bureau was far behind in making internal changes to keep the nation safe from terrorist threats. Lawmakers urged that the FBI set specific benchmarks to measure its progress and make more regular reports to Congress.

These concerns come as the Bush administration has been seeking to expand its ability to gather intelligence without prior court approval. It has asked Congress for amendments to the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to make it clear that eavesdropping on foreign telecommunications signals routed through the U.S. does not require a warrant.

...

A recent study showed that the number of terrorism and national security cases initiated by the Justice Department in 2007 was more than 50% below 2002 levels. The nonprofit Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University, which obtained the data under the Freedom of Information Act, found that the number of cases brought declined 19% in the last year alone, dropping to 505 in 2007 from 624 in 2006.

By contrast, the Justice Department reported last month that the nation's spy court had granted 2,370 warrant requests by the department to search or eavesdrop on suspected terrorists and spies in the U.S. last year -- 9% more than in 2006. The number of such warrants approved by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has more than doubled since the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The department also reported a sharp rise in the use of national security letters by the FBI -- from 9,254 in 2005 to 12,583 in 2006, the latest data available. The letters seek customer information from banks, Internet providers and phone companies. They have caused a stir because consumers do not have a right to know that their information is being disclosed and the letters are issued without court oversight.

...

Democrats - what are you doing?

You have the congress! Put up a bill to take back Bush's authority to use force on Iran! The one many of you voted for! Hillary Clinton included! Do the democratic lawmakers think war with Iran is a good idea?

Is it a case of the republicans thinking war with Iran is a good thing for republicans and the democrats laughing, thinking "no it will be good for democrats"?

Give me strength! We need leadership and all we have are bozos from two political parties.

W. House: Iran security guarantees not considered
REUTERS
Reuters North American News Service
May 14, 2008 07:08 EST

JERUSALEM, May 14 (Reuters) - The White House on Wednesday said security guarantees for Iran were not being considered at the moment in nuclear talks.

The comment came after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the six nations pressing Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment programme could guarantee Tehran's security.

"Security guarantees are not something we are looking at at the moment," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in Israel, where President George W. Bush is meeting with leaders during a trip to the Middle East.

The six nations pressing Iran to suspend its nuclear programme are the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council -- Russia, the United States, China, Britain, France -- and Germany.

Lavrov said: "I think the 'Six' could make the following step: directly put concrete offers on the negotiating table, give Iran security guarantees and ensure a more distinguished place in negotiations on the situation in the Middle East."

He did not specify what security guarantees might be offered.

Iran on Tuesday said it would put forward new proposals in the nuclear dispute with the West, but ruled out suspending uranium enrichment activity.

"As we've been saying, details (of the incentive package) are still being worked out and will be presented to the Iranian government soon. The one who needs to give security guarantees is Iran, because they keep threatening to wipe Israel off the map," Johndroe said. (Reporting by Tabassum Zakaria and Matt Spetalnick; Editing by Jon Boyle)

By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 2:42pm

RUMSFELD: That's what I was just going to say. This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack.

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By SJerseyIndy May 14, 2008 - 3:35pm

The amazing thing is how the neocons and the Bush administration specifically can say exactly how they feel in public and it doesn't get questioned or covered.

In the mean time the Hillary supporters are contributing to the disaster by taking the focus off of the Bush administration. Instead of admitting the race is over they continue to play this stupid game which puts everyones focus on their incredible delusions. The focus should be on what the neocons and the impending attack on another country.

No, it is you libtards who will

CAUSE the disaster by supporting Obama who will lose to McCain.

By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 4:01pm

Guess who just picked up another superdelegate?
Hint: It wasn't Mittary.

Support the Troops
End the Occupation

re: By Guy Fawkes May 14, 2008 - 4:05pm

"Guess who just picked up another superdelegate?"

Ooh, ooh! Let me guess!

Was it . . . Edwards? ;)

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 4:08pm

I only wish that Edwards had the nomination wrapped up like Obama does now.

Support the Troops
End the Occupation

Guess who just picked up

a super delegate from TN? It wasnt Obama.

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 4:01pm

No, it is you libtards who will
CAUSE the disaster by supporting Obama who will lose to McCain.

You see this is my point. People like you are distracting everyone form the real news. Obama is the nominee and you are sitting here whining over your loss and calling people libtards. The fact is that unlike Hillary's chances at a nomination there is a real chance that the Bush administration will attack Iran. But do continue distracting everyone with your nonsense about Hillary's failed campaign.

I imagine it is because Hillary voted to allow Bush to attack Iran and you are embarrassed that your candidate was so stupid.

Lets face it Huff. If Hillary came out and started calling for an attack on Iran and staying in Iraq until we see "victory" you would fully support it because she has a "D" after her name.

Enough of this. I'm done talking about Hillary and her stupid failed campaign. I'm talking about the issues now.

Yes you are done alright

Go McGovern!! You are just helping elect McCain, hell, you libtards have handed him the presidency. Dont give me this shit about the war when you will be responsible for electing the war monger McCain. I am trying to stop McCain, not put up a losing candidate. I have seen the Dems self destruct time and time again. I am used to it.

re: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 7:05pm

The polls don't even support your bullshit anymore, Huff!

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 7:05pm

Huff

If starting a war in Iran helped Clinton you'd be all for it. You are just a playing a team sport now. R vs. D. You've lost sight of what its all about.

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 7:05pm

Hey Huff

Do you think it would be a good idea for the democrats in congress to pass a bill taking back the authority given to Bush to start a war in Iran? Or are you concerned that would look bad for Clinton since she voted for it in the first place?

Personally I'm disgusted with the democrats that they aren't moving now to make Bush get approval before attacking Iran. Of course we all know which foreign lobby group put pressure on Pelosi, Clinton and others to take that language out of the original bill.

All your points are moot

McCain will be elected president.

re: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 7:16pm

"All your points are moot"

Do you understand "projection"? You need to get your ass to your psychiatrist and get your meds upped!

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

You need to come back to reality

Obama is a person, not God.

re: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 7:22pm

We are the realists. You're projecting, again. Hillary's lost, and you refuse to accept the reality.

You're the one that sniffs the reeking buns of Hillary and acts like it was cocaine...

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

By Gazmik May 14, 2008 - 7:25pm

If Huff was a realist and he believes Obama will lose to McCain then he would admit that Hillary had no chance.

I mean seriously when you think back to how the right wing spin machine has primed its base of ditto heads to react to the name Clinton, how is that a smart choice to nominate her? I mean there are dead republicans lying in graves that would claw their way out just to vote against her. That is how brain washed they are.

Rush and others built their base around clinton bashing. and it doesn't matter that their listenership is dwindling. Those that use to listen and do so no longer still have all that propaganda hidden away in their minds ready to pop out during the election.

You need to come back to

You need to come back to reality
Obama is a person, not God.

Its the Hillary supporters that treat their candidate like a god. Many of us are not strong supporters of Obama but we realize how foolish it would be to make Hillary the nominee. she doesn't stand a chance in the general election.

Gazmik is right. You are projecting. the Hillary supporters seem to project like republicans. Can it be that is because she is a republican? I'm betting it is.

Hillary would win in a landslide.

She would run circles around the Republicans. They would not know what hit them. But instead I guess we will do it the old tired losing way. At least we will lose with dignity. Fuck that!

re: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 8:05pm

You have no dignity, Huff! Hillary lost, now you're whining like a cry baby!

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 8:05pm

She would run circles around the Republicans. They would not know what hit them. But instead I guess we will do it the old tired losing way. At least we will lose with dignity. Fuck that!

LOL

Only dreamers ever thought she could win. She was a horrible choice.

Still no comment on Iran huh?

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 8:05pm

Hey Huff

If Lieberman runs for VP with McCain and they win, do you think Clinton should be secretary of state? I mean she's been to 80 countries and she likes voting for war. She would fit right in with Joe and John.

By hufflarry 2000May 14, 2008 - 7:16pm

Huff

You said my points are moot. I asked about the dems in congress and the legislation that gives Bush authority to attack. I'm concerned. Don't you think the congress should act? Can't you stop thinking about the nomination and address that?

And I said it does not matter

McCain will have war.

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 8:07pm

And I said it does not matter
McCain will have war.

So what about Bush launching a war for political gain? Shouldn't congress try and stop it?

Or are you saying congress won't stop Bush and they won't stop McCain or Clinton if they get in the white house either?

Mcgovern

was never the candidate that Obama is. Republican dirty tricks eliminated the real candidates using much the same tactics Hillary tried to get rid of Obama with. The difference being that the Nixon campaign recognized the stronger candidates and eliminated them early. Hillary was so sure her path would be easy that she didn't start with the crap until Obama was well on his way to the nomination.

f u bush immitates a weak, paid-off, zero-fact govt. ...



So easy to spot.

Notice how the govt. disinfo agents DENY THE SCIENCE WE ALL LEARNED SINCE GRADE SCHOOL.

Air America's blogs are chock full of agent provoceteurs because our criminal govt. knows there are much more influential and open-minded individuals on this forum.

WAKE UP Air Americans! Richard greene knows, Lionel knows, Thom Hartmann knows, the rest of the world knows - 9/11 was an inside job, a false-flag psyop meant to condition an apathetic and dumbed-down population to fall lock step to whatever is perceived ...

Authority is not the Truth - Ignorance is not Bliss - Apathy is not an endearing quality.

For the sake of those who died on 9/11, their families, the American people, and for the sake of peace in the world, please continue to seek the truth about 9/11. Demand a thorough and impartial reinvestigation of 9/11.

By C.H.A.N.G.E. May 14, 2008 - 8:42pm

Listen buddy there is no coincidence here. A little discussion about 9/11, PNAC and the Iraq war and oh look out of no where we get the 9/11 conspiracy poster who posts endless spam on the subject.

There is no coincidence. The goal for you types is to bring this up to deflect from any serious discussion on the topic. Why? So that the discussion turns away from the opportunistic war Bush launched using 9/11 and also to give the impression that any discussion of the Iraq war in conjunction with 9/11 is equivalent to a conspiracy theory and so worthy of being dismissed without thought.

I see right through you.

Guess what.

Bush used 9/11 to start a war in Iraq. It was opportunistic and he might have even deliberately let 9/11 happen so he could get what he wanted.

re: By f u bush2 May 14, 2008 - 9:28pm

"...he might have even deliberately let 9/11 happen so he could get what he wanted."

I don't believe that they purposely let it happen, but I would say that they did ignore the terrorism threat and took full advantage of the opportunity when it did happen. Through their ignorance of the threat of Osama and Al Qaeda despite numerous warnings, they were complicit in 9/11.

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By Gazmik May 14, 2008 - 9:36pm

I believe it is possible.

The PNAC plan lays it all out. Everything went according to plan. But you are free to believe he didn't act in that manner.

I look at it

like a DA passing on a death penalty charge in favor of a slam dunk charge of manslaughter. Guilty either way so why confuse the issue. (and here in NJ nobody ever actually gets the needle anyway)

By f u bush2 May 14, 2008 - 9:38pm

I believe it is possible.
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Likewise. However, I'd go a bit beyond "possible" to "probable" and maybe even so far as "likely"...
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Prediction

they will do as you say. They will not fire a shot, but it will be made to look as though they did.

The U.S. Quietly Slashes the Reward Posted for the Leader of Al

The U.S. Quietly Slashes the Reward Posted for the Leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq
By Anna Mulrine, Kevin Whitelaw
Posted May 12, 2008

The U.S. government has quietly withdrawn a $5 million reward it was offering for the killing or capture of Abu Ayyub al-Masri, named by Pentagon officials as the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Al-Masri had been one of America's most wanted figures in Iraq ever since his identity was revealed in 2006. But U.S. News has learned that the bounty for him was reduced and that he was unceremoniously dropped in late February from the State Department's Rewards for Justice Program, which offers cash payments for information that leads to the capture or killing of wanted terrorists.

Currently, the bounty for the Egyptian militant stands at $100,000, a more modest payout that is now covered by the separate—and decidedly lower profile—Department of Defense Rewards Program.

It is a startling development given that U.S. military officials have frequently touted al-Masri's danger ever since they revealed his identity with great fanfare at a briefing in June 2006. At the time, it was considered a propaganda coup to show that AQI was being led by an Egyptian, because the group had been claiming that an Iraqi man became its leader after the death of its founder, Abu Musab Zarqawi.

...

Don't you GET it, FUB?

It's those NUMBER TWO Al-Qaeda guys who pose the greatest threat to our national security. What are you...some kind of demoislamist?

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclast May 14, 2008 - 4:14pm

LOL

Seriously they could have an award of 1 trillion dollars for the number one al qaeda leader. They always catch the number two. Never the number one.

Shut up and dance

"Here are some facts for some of you to chew on regarding HRC "BIG WIN" in a BIG important state:

States & elections won with 60% or more of the vote:
Barrack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI
* Virgin Islands (89.9%)
* Idaho (79%)
* Hawaii (76%)
* Alaska (75%)
* District of Columbia (75%)
* Kansas (74%)
* Washington (68%)
* Nebraska (68%)
* Minnesota (67%)
* Colorado (67%)
* Georgia (67%)

* Illinois (65%)
* Virginia (64%)
* Maryland (62%)
* North Dakota (61%)
* Wyoming (61%)
* Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 1 State
* Arkansas (70%)
* West Virginia (60%)

Sorry HRC supporters. HRC "BIG WIN" pales in comparison with ALL of Obama’s BIG WINS."

Now name the big

important states that Obama won.

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 4:46pm

You're silly. And stuck on Teh Stupid.
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Wanting to save the party

from a disasterous loss with Obama is silly and stupid?

By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 4:56pm

Those trying to save the Party from disaster are going so far as to fly into Michigan to endorse our nominee. Here's lookin' at ya, kid.

;-)

Turn on CNN. You're on the outside looking in...
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By SJerseyIndy May 14, 2008 - 5:29pm

449 miles down, 157 miles to go. Plane lands in 24 minutes...
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By SJerseyIndy May 14, 2008 - 5:32pm

Well, they started descending.. clock's a ticking... do you have your TeeVee on so you can see Edwards endorse Obama live, huff? Aren't you anxious to see if Elizabeth joins him?
T minus 10 minutes til 19 more delegates heading toward Obama...
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Ya Edwards is well known

for picking the winner. Give me a break.

2 things

1) Kerry won if not for the cheating in your state.

2) Edwards did not pick Kerry.

re: By SJerseyIndy May 14, 2008 - 5:38pm

"T minus 10 minutes til 19 more delegates heading toward Obama..."

Those 19 delegates should put Obama beyond the reach of Hillary in pledged delegates. She's toast!

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re: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 4:56pm

"Wanting to save the party from a disasterous loss with Obama is silly and stupid?"

Still indulging in your Hillary dirty Sanchez fantasies, I see.

Poll shows both Clinton and Obama beating McCain
By Alexander Mooney, CNN
May 14, 2008

According to a new Quinnipiac University poll, both Democratic candidates beat McCain by a gap well outside the margin of error. Obama beats McCain by 7 points in the poll, 47 percent to 40 percent, while Hillary Clinton bests the Arizona senator by 5 points, 46 percent to 41 percent.

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NARAL

In yet another sign that the Democratic Party and its interest groups are beginning to coalesce around Obama, NARAL Pro-Choice America today endorsed the Illinois senator.

"Pro-choice Americans have been fortunate to have two strong pro-choice candidates in Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton, both of whom have inspired millions of new voters to participate in this historic presidential race," said the group's president, Nancy Keenan. "Today, we are proud to put our organization's grassroots and political support behind the pro-choice candidate whom we believe will secure the Democratic nomination and advance to the general election. That candidate is Sen. Obama."

But NARAL's endorsement didn't please Emily's List, the pro-choice, Democratic group backing Clinton. “I think it is tremendously disrespectful to Sen. Clinton -- who held up the nomination of a FDA commissioner in order to force approval of Plan B and who spoke so eloquently during the Supreme Court nomination about the importance of protecting Roe vs. Wade -- to not give her the courtesy to finish the final three weeks of the primary process," said Emily's List president Ellen Malcolm. "It certainly must be disconcerting for elected leaders who stand up for reproductive rights and expect the choice community will stand with them.”

Ouch.

Even in their statement

- to not give her the courtesy to finish the final three weeks of the primary process,

they concede that Hillary is done.

Basic Science Reveals What Really Happened on Sept. 11th 2001

A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America's highest honor for scientific achievement, said “I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken.”

A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority stated regarding WTC 7 that "The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."

A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university, with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member, is calling for a new investigation of 9/11

A number of structural engineers have questioned the government's explanation for the collapse of the Twin Towers. As just two of many examples, two structural engineers at a prestigious Swiss university said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use, has disputed the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled demolition (see also this video, part 2 here, and part 3 here (other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)

A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded that the Twin Towers "were brought down by planted explosives."

A professor of mathematics said "The official explanation that I've heard doesn't make sense because it doesn't explain why I heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the concrete was pulverized"

A Danish professor of chemistry said, in a mainstream Danish newspaper, "WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building would have fallen in that direction. You don't have to be a woodcutter to grasp this"

http://Pilotsfor911Truth.org/

http://911proof.com/

http://wtc7.net/

re: By C.H.A.N.G.E. May 14, 2008 - 6:12pm

Yep. If you can't dazzle people with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

You try to pass off mathematics and theology professors as "experts" to prove your lack of facts? You spin wild-assed theories to try to compensate for your total lack of evidence. You use the discredited joke Steven E Jones as an "expert".

What a fucking joke!

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 6:20pm

Actually I'm not closed minded to the idea of any involvement on 9/11 by our government.

Building 7 is still not explained in my opinion.

But this is all distracting. The Bush administration got what it wanted out of 9/11. They got public approval for launching a war in Iraq. You don't have to believe in any direct involvement by the Bush administration on 9/11 to believe they might have let it happen. As a matter of fact I strongly believe they will attack Iran for political reasons in the near future.

re: By f u bush2 May 14, 2008 - 6:35pm

"Building 7 is still not explained in my opinion."

Building 7 was heavily damaged by the collapse of Tower 1. And there were diesel tanks in Building 7 for generators. Sagging was visible on the roof of Building 7 before it collapsed. It wasn't as instantaneous and unexpected as the 9/11 "truthers" claim.

But, I'm sure as hell not going to claim that the Bush administration didn't use 9/11 to their advantage and justification to invade Iraq as Bush wanted to from the beginning. They took full advantage of the catastrophe.

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein

By Gazmik May 14, 2008 - 6:41pm

I'm really glad you are satisfied that building 7 fell due to damage from the other towers.

However I don't feel the same. I saw pictures and I don't agree.

But I'm glad you are satisfied with the official explanation.

Don't hold the difference in opinion against me. I'm not trying to force my opinion down your throat.

Govt. disinfo agent gazmik continues to make stuff up


Newton's been write for over two centuries - 'gazmik' and our lying and criminal govt. feel that one can change the basic laws of science to fit their fancy ...

6th grade science is all that's needed to explain away the fallacy of 'gazmik's attempted argument.

Read what people much more qualified and much more objective than troll 'gazmik' have to say:

460+ Engineers and Architects Question 9/11

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html/

re: By C.H.A.N.G.E. May 14, 2008 - 8:49pm

"6th grade science is all that's needed to explain away the fallacy of 'gazmik's attempted argument."

No, your ludacris attempts to support your bullshit shows that your education hasn't advance past the 6th grade. Grow the fuck up!

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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein