Feelings
Michael Tomasky writes about pouty Clintonites:
Politics is not therapy. It's not something that is conducted so people who live essentially comfortable lives can feel good about themselves and happy about outcomes. Politics is about the state of the country and the world. It's about a million things beyond the "character" of the candidate.
It's about what kinds of lawyers are appointed to important positions in the Justice Department to defend the constitution and people's civil liberties. It's about what kinds of people will be working in Labor Department, either helping or hindering the creation of more unions. It's about who is at the Environmental Protection Agency, and whether the laws that protect poor communities from illlegal toxic dumping will be enforced or ignored. It's about what the State Department and other agencies do to foster the development of democracy and human rights, or what they turn a blind eye to. And of course it's about the Supreme Court. And it's about a hundred other things just like these things.
In the face of all this, people think politics is about their feelings? Childish and ignorant are the best two words for that.
He's also got a great follow up on the guy who paid for the Bill Ayers ad ...
Maron V Seder today at 3pm! est
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- August 26, 2008








Anger at the democratic leadership!!
In my post titled "The 1968 Convention was better" under Convention Coverage by Seder ,you will discover the source of my displeasure with the DNC.
Are we democrats any more!!
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 10:11amThe 1968 Convention was far Better!!!
I say that because I am not crazy like some would want to you believe, but because it was the last democratic convention where dissent was addressed by the delegates. The cry would come from those that claim that it hurt the democratic party and open dissent over the Vietnam conflict resulted in the republicans taking the white house in 1968.
The cry was to prevent the party leaders from deciding the nominee in a smoked filled room by shifting all of the power to the voters with a primary system.
So many fell for this partial truth motive with it’s hidden implication that if were only had a convention like the republicans that suppressed dissent about the Vietnam conflict we would have been victorious in 1968 which is truly silly.
The proof of such a silly statement is when examined under the light of reality one would discover that democrats moved away from a system that produced 7 out of 10 victories from 1932 to one that completely reversed that trend since 1968.
What caused this trend, it’s quite simple. We moved a way from a system where our democratic delegates and party leaders had more influence over the selection of the party nominee to primary system where the corporate “news” media and powerful financial contributors dominated the selection.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/25/AR200808...
When I read the above article in the Washington post that Hillary Clinton wanted the VP Slot on the ticket I came to the conclusion that she was denied this opportunity , not by Obama, but the leader of the DNC when he forced the super delegates to commit to a candidate in mid June. The only conclusion is that the current nomination process is far worst than the one where men in smoked filled rooms decided the selection because at least Hillary would have had a fighting chance on the convention floor.
I have been called many names on AAR blogs that ranged from Hillbot to troll_monkey by those that claim to be Obama supporters. The truth is that we don’t have any way of determining the true identity of anj blogger unless Guy succeeded in discovering my IP address. Those so-called Obama supporter may be Clinton supports trying to make Obama supporters look bad.
However, we might not know the true identity of a blogger, but we can judge them by the words and actions.
My words(some misspelled) in my post supported the position that I wanted the party to unite under a joint ticket of candidates I didn’t vote for and later discovered that my desire was prevented by our party leaders that thought it was more important to put on a grand show at the expense of shoving a candidate aside.
For those Obama people that shout this proves that I was just a Clinton supporter, I respond that my position would not have changed if it was indeed Obama was the one that came out on the short end of the stick. Why some may say, the answer is that principles to me are far more important than any debate between any candidate.
In closing, I will return to my previous point that you are judged by your action and words more than what label that is pinned to your shirt.
It is hard to believe that we are in the same country since the 2000 election even though the flag has not changed.
It’s hard to believe that I am watching a democratic convention base of the principles of the 1948 convention, unless Howard Dean steps to the podium and release those super delegates that he strong-armed in June so that we have this showy undemocratic convention today.
It’s seem that even the best HD setup of today fails to pick up the principles that were so clearly transmitted by those black and whites sets tune to the democratic convention of 1948.
Howard Dean please reverse your mistake!!!
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 10:19amBy KvnRJohnso407 August 26, 2008 - 11:19am
In closing, I will return to my previous point that you are judged by your action and words more than what label that is pinned to your shirt.
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And your divisive words repeated time and again in posts which make clear for readers that your actions are attempts to sew discontent within the Party leave many to judge that the label of concern troll should be pinned to your shirt.
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 10:27amBlind As A Bat!!!
SJ,
Really...did you think I would think you would understand my point!!!
Right over you head!!!
Just like trying to explain the problems with Iraq to republican'ts.
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 1:12pmDewed
Did you fergit that we got (almost) 8 years of DICK Nixon out of 1968!
Linebacker II
Kent State
Cocaine and Disco
Free Bird!
Comeonnow!
We also, through some strange and serendipitous journey got Sen.s Obama and Clinton. TIME marches on.
..."Time is relative"
Einstien
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By justintymeAugust 26, 2008 - 10:30amBy justintyme August 26, 2008 - 11:30am
Concern trolls don't care about that part of the history of 1968. All they care about is that folks focus on the division and discontent of 1968 in hopes of stirring up the same this time around. Their desperation is actually quite comforting...
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 10:33amwhich shows the trolls have no sense of history
Neo-con trolls should be trying to distract people UTTERLY from the '68 convention.
That particular party led to the hippies/yippies pretty much blanket distrust of cops, the creation of the weathermen, and the days of rage.
And it's a whole lot easier to recreate the weathermen these days... Chem class, anyone?
Losing the widespread acceptance of "standard police procedures" means the neo-cons lose power.
The days of rage (the actions of the hippies that followed Kent State) pretty wiped out support for the war.
Wrenchboy, putting on his professor glasses...
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 10:56amHistory
wrentch Boy
I know more about history than you think and I dare to give me some real stuff to deal with than the definition you read in the "Weekly Reader" or CNN reports.
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 1:17pmummm... trolly-kins?
1.) You have yet to show that you know history. Please feel free to show some proof.
2.) I happen to have a few books around the house. How about:
2.1.) rise and fall of the third reich, for similarities between the bushies and the nazis
2.2.) Games People play, for all of your troll games
2.3.) Erowid, as a collective source for information about drugs and culture
2.4.) Hoffman's steal this book, for local color
3.) why is that every time you show up, the AAR page slows WAY down?
Go away troll.
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 1:36pmYes, somewhat
but also quite tiring. It reminds one of the facts that most 'mericans never seem to learn. Like....how to spot Florida on a map, who is buried in Grants Tomb and who fought in the Vietnam War.
Heard a story this morning @ a school w/a program that can get your child a perfect score on the SAT. That will get them into U, but does it teach them what critical thinking actually is? Apparently not!
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By justintymeAugust 26, 2008 - 11:12am1968 was quite a revolutionary year in world history.
In the U.S. the anti- war movement really got underway, especially after Dr. King spoke out against the war in Vietnam publicly. France nearly had a revolution, driven by striking workers and students. Czechoslovakia rebelled against Russian imperialism. And all throughout the world, independece movements were forcing the imperialist powers on the defensive.
The capitalist class in this country and others want to make sure that 1968 is not remembered in the history books, except in some vague " hippie- protest" kind of way.
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By thaelmann37August 26, 2008 - 11:30amnailed it!!!
tmann!!!!!
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By justintymeAugust 26, 2008 - 11:36amWow
Just,
I was surprised you knew about "Linebacker II"
But what point was you trying to make about the democratic convention of 1968 and Richard Nixon!
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 1:15pmFeelings. Nothing More Than Feeeelings.
This one is for fans of Hillary and Clintonites who might be considering helping Senator McSame by either voting for him, attacking Obama regularly, or sitting out the election: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o
He appreciates the help you're providing him on behalf of your "bitch".
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 10:30amStop Cluttering the blog
SJ,
You and your friends are cluttering up the blog to prevent different view points.
This is not chat room fellows.
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 1:21pmThe 1968 Convention Big Lie
Many in the media, will spout out that the democrats lost the 1968 close election to Nixon because of the war protesters riots on the streets and anti-war rallies on the convention floor.
That is WRONG!!!
Again, that assumption about the dissent causing the defeat of the democrats in 1968 is WRONG!!!
If you have noticed, unlike my many detractors on this blog I support my statements with facts.
Just remember, if you read their posts, you quickly discover that they hate dissent and would love to keep me from posting views that they don’t support.
They claim to be Obama supporters but I doubt it because real Democrats don’t hate dissent and the Clintons.
Getting back on point as to impact of the anti-war protesters in and out of the convention lead to the close defeat for the Democrats in 1968.
Reverse that statement and clearly you are stating that if the Democrats had the same kind of dissent free convention as the republicans they would have won.
I would buy that for a dollar if I also believed that a peaceful Democratic convention would have drawn a sizable portion of 10 million George Wallace voters to Humphrey.
If you know the name “George Wallace ‘68” , then you would have no problem believing that the democrats had little chance of getting just one vote out of that bunch.
To further prove my point, just look at the 1972 election where George was unable to continue campaigning.
The truth is that those Reagan democrats that they keep yapping about on TV where really loyal Wallace democrats long before Reagan came on the seen.
So why would those Wallace voters not care about those anti-war protesters a the 1968 convention.
Simple, they believed that those hippy protesters were former kids that were more interested in “Band Stand” during the Cuba Missile crisis that grew up and went to college to get white collar jobs at their daddy’s factory instead of defending the country against that evil Reds.
Simply put, they dismissed them as a bunch of cowards.
Now I will really tell you what 1968 image truly hit a nerve with those 10 million Wallace voters.
It was the site of the United States Capitol being protected by national guardsman for the first time since the civil war.
Yes, in 1968 we had U.S. National Guardsmen patrolling the streets of the Nation’s Capitol in jeeps with 50. Caliber machine guns in order to keep angry black men in check.
That image of Washington under siege, not the anti-protesters, is what drove those 10 million Wallace/Reagan democrats away from the Humphrey in 1968.
To close this issue out, the democrats really never had a chance to win the 1968 election with or without protesters.
When Democrats no longer support dissent, then we have truly CHANGED the party that I love into the Republican Party.
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 2:59pmSorry I can't Stay
Can't stay on AAR for long because Guy threaten to steal my IP Address.
I missing a great show by Sam.
Good luck!!!
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By KvnRJohnso407August 26, 2008 - 3:01pmc'mon back...
When your logic and typing skills improve...
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 3:08pmSam, what say you about this????
I know how you feel, will you let American's know...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-williams/joe-biden-true-friend-of_...
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By broncoboy7August 26, 2008 - 11:31pmoh look over there!
Another concern troll.
Okay. Here's your toaster. Now go away.
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By wrenchboyAugust 27, 2008 - 6:52amBroncos suck. Go back to
Broncos suck.
Go back to Greeley and take a deep whiff of their wonderful "smell of money."
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower
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By MichtouAugust 27, 2008 - 8:34amBy broncoboy7 August 27, 2008 - 12:31am
FWIW: the plural form of American does not contain an apostrophe.
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 27, 2008 - 9:07am