Can the Democrats Win on Energy Policy in November?
While McCain’s newfound mantra of “Drill, Drill,Drill” may have helped him a bit in the opinion polls, the view in the streets of Denver is that Energy is a winning issue for the Democrats in the Fall. Numerous events and panels address Green issues, with a special focus on alternative energy — but the real question is whether the Dmeocrtas can frame the issue in a way that wins for them in time for the November election.
Congressman Ed Markey (D-MA) gave some signals as to what the strategy will be as part of a panel on “The Politics of Green” sponsored by The New Republic. For the twelve years that the Republicans controlled Congress and did nothing about fuel mileage standards, alternative energy and a host of other energy issues. The rhetoric of the Republicans for the past year, however, has been to say yes to everything — better fuel efficiency, alternative energy research and development, tax credits for hybrid vehicles — but they then vote against these proposals (or filibuster them) saying that they want oil drilling to be included. That is they want all options, or it seems, none. Well, Markey explained, this September they will get the chance to vote on an “all of the above” bill and then we all will see what they will do. He called it the most critical debate of this Fall and one that could define the issue for the campaign.
What exactly the “All of the Above” bill will be is still unclear. As the Congress was about to go on recess, a group of ten Senators from both parties met and came up with a compromise plan to address the gridlock in the congressional energy debate. This “Gang of Ten” — Five Democrats, Five Republicans — put forth their proposal that could be the “all of the above” plan that Markey was talking about. The proposal includes:
- A Goal of having 85% of all new vehicles running on non-petroleum-based fuels within 20 years;
- Providing billions of dollars in research and development to help automakers develop these new vehicles;
- Up to $7500 in tax credits to consumers who buy vehicles that run on renewable fuels;
- Requires the federal government to open up some new areas of the Gulf of Mexico to oil drilling and exploration, and;
- Allows offshore oil drilling at least 50 miles off the coasts of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, but only if those states give their permission.
- The bill is paid for by canceling tax breaks for big oil totaling $30 billion and by getting some royalty revenues from Gulf of Mexico oil drilling.
So will the congressional Democrats allow some offshore oil drilling in order to get some other energy gains as well as turn the energy issue around for the November election? That is unclear. But what is clear is that the five Republicans in the Gang of Ten have gotten hell from a lot of conservatives. They do not like the removal of the big oil tax credits and the subsidies for research that would decrease the power of Big Oil. There is also the sense that passing this bill would basically cut off future debate about drilling in ANWR, which is a critical element to the oil industry’s demands from the Republicans. And John McCain doesn’t seem to be embracing the plan.
The odds are that even if this plan passed the House that it would not pass through a Senate filibuster — but if it did wouldn’t it be fun to see Bush squirm as to whether he should veto or sign a bill that does contain some offshore oil drilling? Signing it would mean that the issue would be removed from this year’s election. Vetoing it would mean that he is an utter and complete shill for the oil industry, not that that is anything new.
But in the end, the Democrats may need to decide which pill is worse — some offshore oil drilling or losing the issue to the Republicans, at least in teh short-run.
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What's been proposed is a sensible, workable plan
...which is why the RepubliCANTs will fight tooth and nail against it.
'Nuff said.
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By nonexistent manAugust 25, 2008 - 11:51pmLand Grab
The Republicans are not working toward more drilling to increase the domestic oil supply. They are attempting to commit one of the largest land grabs in history. If the oil companies want to produce more oil offshore domestically then they should start drilling in the 68 million acres they already have leases on. According to the Energy Information Council that 60 million acres contains approximately 60 billion barrels of oil. Why has Big Oil spent the last 25 years closing every independent oil refinery in the country; they have artificially strangled the supply of oil, restricted the access to refining capability, and totally manipulated the price on the market using the Enron loophole.
The American people are starting to wake up to the lies of the supply-side neo-cons.
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By JC1269August 26, 2008 - 12:07am68 million acres is the size of Colorado
That talking point about 68 million acres open to drilling isn't working. My guess is that's too abstract. How big is 68 million acres? It makes more sense to go on to mention that this is an area about the size of Colorado. It's a picture rather than an abstraction.
Then I suggest we open the whole coastline, but with a five year time limit to begin drilling. There is a five year backlog on ships that can install drilling platforms, which means the oil companies won't use it. Of course, no need to publicize that to conservatives, at least not until five years from now when they wonder why no drilling happened.
Then push the "use it or lose it" idea on current leases. Offering a bill wasn't enough. Democrats have to pound on it, like Republicans have been doing.
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By ericfAugust 26, 2008 - 12:26amBy ericf August 26, 2008 - 1:26am
Then I suggest we open the whole coastline, but with a five year time limit to begin drilling.
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I like this "use it or lose it" idea, and I was encouraged to see it as part of Obama's plan.
I think Dems should also apply more pressure than is indicated above.
For instance, the part of the "Gang of Ten" plan that reads...
...should include a stipulation that all oil recovered from such US offshore drilling and exploration remain in the US to be provided for US consumption. Realistic? Not so much. But...
occams hatchet touched on this over at DKos:
Frame: Democrats want American oil to help Americans. Republicans want American oil to help increase record oil company profits.
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 8:29amDrill, drill, drill?
I do believe McCain's energy policy is DO EVERYTHING. Sure, it involves drilling, but it also involves nuclear, wind, solar, and (GASP!) exploring alternative energy sources.
Meanwhile, Oblahma's plan is.....NOTHING. Oblahma wants to run around saying that drilling won't help for years (is that what it is today??), but excuse me for asking, what will Oblahma's plan do in the near future? He wants to research alternative energies? (Just like McCain) Sorry NObama, my fucking truck DOESN'T RUN ON RESEARCH! My truck doesn't run on change and hope won't even crank the engine over once. Obama is losing the energy debate because he doesn't have an energy plan.
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By tropicaltoadAugust 26, 2008 - 12:43amThere's already a plan on the table
...but it's a sure bet that Cowboy-hat Oathbreaker will veto it, if the Senate RepubliCANTs don't filibuster it first.
Here's the deal...Big Oil gets no new leases until they've explored the ones they already hold. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Besides, where will they get the rigs? All the rigs in the US are already in use, and there aren't any companies that build them any more...they've all been right-shored, as Little Miss Fifi puts it.
Good luck with that drilling thing.
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By nonexistent manAugust 26, 2008 - 2:14amIdiot
It has been explained to you, here, dozens of times, why unlimited drilling would NOT decrease the cost of running your truck. (BTW, how about you do the patriotic thing and trade it in for a little four-cylinder sedan?) That oil would be exported, resulting in huge profits for the oil companies and yet higher prices for us. Also, why are your heroes not drilling the shit out of that area the size of Colorado that they already own?
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By LiberalIconoclastAugust 26, 2008 - 2:15amWow, you two really are
Wow, you two really are retarded. I say McCain wants to do everything Oblahma is talking about, plus more nuclear power and more drilling, and still you think it's only about drilling. You are trying to put the focal point on drilling when that is simply not the case. It's only one piece to the puzzle, get it?
And please tell me, how is doing less, better? How will doing less bring the price at the pump down faster? How will raising taxes bring the price down more than additional drilling would? How will not building more nuclear power plants bring down the price of energy? THEY WON'T. Oblahma's plan is to raise the price at the pump! He said himself that he was happy prices went up, that he only wished they didn't go up so fast. Remember that little gem? That clip will be playing in ads, you can bet on that.
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By tropicaltoadAugust 26, 2008 - 2:39amJesus H. Christ in a fucking wheelchair
There is no arguing with an ideologue. It's not about lowering prices, son. It's about PROFIT. Now what about that four-cylinder, Adolf?
You must have a tiny little life, if it revolves around the repetition of talking points. If I weren't completely areligious, I'd thank some deity that I'm not you.
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By LiberalIconoclastAugust 26, 2008 - 2:50am"Jesus H. Christ in a fucking wheelchair"
Not only is that line fucking funny (I'm keeping that one for future reference!), but the picture is hysterical!!!! Good one, lib!
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By Pookie2112August 26, 2008 - 12:03pmSo explain to us
...what's wrong with the plan devised by the bipartisan group, the one that heads up this thread. Or did you *blink* right past it in your hurry to smear Obama and cheer on Jukebox Johnny McFlameout?
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By nonexistent manAugust 26, 2008 - 3:42amBy tropicaltoad August 26, 2008 - 3:39am
Wow, you two really are retarded. I say McCain wants to do everything Oblahma is talking about, plus more nuclear power and more drilling, and still you think it's only about drilling. You are trying to put the focal point on drilling when that is simply not the case. It's only one piece to the puzzle, get it?
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I think so. What you're saying is that your rambling on and on about and McSame's focusing solely on Obama's mentioning of inflating tires as if it was his entire energy plan is proof positive that you are a retard who supports a retard for President. Got it...
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 8:33amBuilding a nuclear power plant is still up to the States
And when was the last time anyone was begging for a nuclear reactor to be put in their backyard. Politicians aren't blocking nuclear power as much as the local citizens of any proposed plant are.
I am for more nuclear energy use. It's clean and fairly dependable; except for the spent rods. I live within twenty miles of a nuclear generator, but that generator was built before I moved here and I can imagine the fight against it.
As for the rest of your argument, I'm not even going to bother with it. It's been debunked over and over and you keep coming back to it. Now that's retarded.
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By rafitch71August 26, 2008 - 11:28amUnlimited drilling wouldn't
Unlimited drilling wouldn't lower the cost? Is that what you're saying, liberalblue? Damn, I thought you were college educated. Regardless where it is sold, it is still on the market and the more on the market the lower the price! Something about supply and demand! Surely they teach that in government schools. What it's really about to you is corporate profits. Right? What is your problem with corporations? Couldn't get a job in the corporate world so you went into teaching?
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By bebeholmesAugust 26, 2008 - 8:50amYour question
merely sidesteps the problem. Who says that if we allowed it, they would do it. The oil companies could be drilling on 65 million acres right now, but they are not. There is no guarantee that if more leases were given ,they would drill a single additional well. More likely, what they would do is drill new wells in the most profitable places, but cut production in the less profitable ones currently in use.
Result? More profit fir them, same high prices for us.
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By gt6August 26, 2008 - 8:55amAs I stated, it's all about
As I stated, it's all about corporate profits with you monks. Of course they are going to drill where it is most profitable. Wouldn't you? Makes good business sense.
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By bebeholmesAugust 26, 2008 - 9:08amThe problem is not that they will make a profit
The problem is that ALL that will happen is the increased profit. NO GAIN FOR US.
They will drill where they can increase profits but they will not produce enough oil to lower prices.
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By gt6August 26, 2008 - 9:37amUnlimited drilling
will do nothing to lower the cost for about 15 years and then by about 2 cents a gallon. You were SUPPLIED a govt handout to further your edumacation and now we ACHIEVERS DEMAND that you pay it back and stop your free loading off us. But will you? Hell no!
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By hufflarry2000August 26, 2008 - 8:58amexpecting any neo con to be educated
Is like being a used car from Katrina-era New Orleans: a total write-off.
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 10:24amBy beenexposedasaracist August 26, 2008 - 9:50am
Unlimited drilling wouldn't lower the cost?
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Nope.
Regardless where it is sold, it is still on the market and the more on the market the lower the price! Something about supply and demand!
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That's assuming drilling is actually done and actually leads to oil extraction that makes it to market... and in a timeframe prior to an increase in demand outweighing the small increase in supply.
So many assumptions. Such little thought, cracker.
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 9:02amWell, since it's already been debunked, ...
... no, drilling will not lower the price of oil or gas. Do you claim to be college educated? You need to at least try to pay attention when the smart people write for the newspapers/websites and speak on the TV. You also need to pay attention when the smart people tell you that the oil companies already have leases on millions of acres that THEY ARE NOT DRILLING ON. If you are all in a huff to start drilling then call up your local oil company and tell them to start drilling. They can drill here and drill now. They just aren't.
And, yes, for me part of the problem is corporate profits. Why are we giving BILLIONS in tax breaks to companies that have been making record profits every quarter for several years? That's your tax dollars too, dumbass. Tax dollars that could have fixed the levees in New Orleans or the bridges in Minnesota. Another problem I have with some corporations is the unchecked corruption and greed; i.e. Enron, Exxon, etc...
And, yes, they do teach supply-and-demand in school. What they don't teach is speculation. Speculation is the cause of the current high prices. Ever notice that whenever Chimpy threatens to invade a country the price goes up? Nothing has yet happened to the supply and the price still goes up. That's speculation. Obama's plan calls for putting oil we already have on the market for a cheaper price to drop the price of oil; some say it could cut the price in half.
And to be perfectly clear, although, you won't get it, Rush Limpballs, Sean Insanity, Bill O'Lielly, and any of the other comedians at Faux News are NOT the smart people.
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By rafitch71August 26, 2008 - 11:12amBTW, how about YOU do the
BTW, how about YOU do the patriotic thing and mind your damn business? Why do you care what I drive? You can look like a fag in a Prius if you want to, but I'll drive a man's vehicle thank you. Plus a faggy compact won't haul shit. If they have hybrid F-150's when my truck dies, I'll buy one, but until then I'm not going to cut back on my lifestyle just to fight the invisible killer gas (that every mammal on Earth exhales) in the sky. I suppose it would be great for the environment if I just parked my truck in a landfill and went out and bought a new car too right??
Lol, it cracks me up, you dumbasses think that raising taxes on oil companies will lower prices more than increasing supply! Do you have any idea how retarded you fucks sound?
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By tropicaltoadAugust 26, 2008 - 12:02pmI'll drive a man's vehicle thank you
Neanderfrog! How nice! Mrs. Froggy got you a "Big Wheels for 'Real' Men!"
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By Pookie2112August 26, 2008 - 12:05pmI think the frogster's
fears of sexual inadequacy are showing through here
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By gt6August 26, 2008 - 1:03pmhmm
I'm trying to figure out if the troll-that-is-froggles would be compensated by a Komatsu Heavy Duty Truck, or by a Big Wheel.
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 1:08pmWell, you are probably right ...
'men' like Neanderfrog puff out their sunken chests and scream with fake bravado in an effort to conceal their obvious 'short comings' ... I'm sorry his winkie is so wee but that's a personal problem for him.
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By Pookie2112August 26, 2008 - 1:19pmNot sure what this says about me...
As I drive a Honda Hybrid.
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 1:41pmAhhh ... so in Neanderfrog's microscopic world ...
You are an earthy-crunchy, Kashi eating, Birkenstock wearing, patchouli smelling HIPPIE!!!! ;-)
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By Pookie2112August 26, 2008 - 2:22pmby socialist frogg
Of course you wont cut back on your lifestyle. The big govt and the taxpayers give you a lifestyle. You have been a ward of the state your whole life and now you are spoiled. You are a welfare queen and aint nobody gonna tell you how to spend your welfare check. You are a govt supported, welfare pimp that has never been a man enough to go out in the world to make a living for yourself. You have depended on the govt to finance your whole way of life for your whole life. No big truck is going to change what you really are, you freeloading welfare scum.
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By hufflarry2000August 26, 2008 - 12:16pmWell said, toad!!!!!! They
Well said, toad!!!!!! They don't care or realize how stupid they sound because they all sound the same stupid.
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By bebeholmesAugust 26, 2008 - 1:36pmCheck out the republican lovebirds!
Hot wet conservative man-love. Take it into the bedroom, guys.
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By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 11:24amOr the mens bathroom at the airport ... your pick!
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By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 12:32pmToe-tapping their way to the Twin Cities!
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By LiberalIconoclastAugust 27, 2008 - 1:42pmBy tropical turd August 26, 2008 - 1:02pm
"but I'll drive a man's vehicle thank you".
By tropical turd August 26, 2008 - 1:02pm
Frogglodyte; BIG TRUCK, small dick. A boy has to compensate somehow!
Bye Dummy!
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By othelloAugust 26, 2008 - 8:07pmBy othelloAugust 26, 2008 - 9:07pm
LOL - nice one!
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By Pookie2112August 27, 2008 - 8:29amBy tropicaltoad August 26, 2008 - 1:43am
Clearly you've never taken the time to read it.
Perhaps that's because it's not in picture book form?
I've now provided you with a place to get started. Happy reading.
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 26, 2008 - 8:14amFroggy can't admit he read it
or he have to admit that it makes more sense than Drill! Drill! Drill!
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By gt6August 26, 2008 - 8:25amThat's all fine and dandy,
That's all fine and dandy, but I see a lot of "within 25 years" and "by 2050's" in there. What will his "plan" do in the next year? Oh, and that thousand dollars from evil oil companies? Guess who will just raise their prices to get it back?
Nearly everything in his "plan" is either a pipe dream (crack pipe?), or will raise the cost of energy. Have you learned nothing from Carter?
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By tropicaltoadAugust 26, 2008 - 11:46amfroggles, tell you what...
I'll be at Arisia, in Cambridge Mass this january. I am more than willing to show you:
a solar furnace
a steam engine powered generator
a cheap fuel cell
Would that help you to understand alternative energy?
Drilling will take 10 years to harvest (absolute best case would be 6 years). assuming we tapped the biggest known domestic oil field (in montana) we could get (assuming current extraction technology) roughly 20 years AT BEST. That number assumes major leaps in drilling systems, roughly on par with 2 Manhattan Projects. More likely, we'd only get 2 years, 5 on the outside.
Not a good investment. This leaves aside the devastation that drilling does to a local environment,
Instead of that, we can use solar and wind power NOW. Hell, I just contributed to a talk at a convention this past weekend on this very subject.
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 12:10pmOk, so there is enough wind
Ok, so there is enough wind and sunlight in the sky to give us all the energy we could ever need. That's fantastic. But it's like saying that there is enough water in the ocean that nobody should have to go thirsty. Without the ability to harvest it, it is useless.
So you want electric cars? Well guess what, I do to. But I have enough common sense to realize that we can't simply throw away every vehicle on the road the day an affordable electric car comes out. I realize that there is going to have to be what is called a transition period. You want wind power? ME TOO. But I'm not retarded to the point that I don't realize that wind generators take time to construct. It helps to not be blocked everytime a senator doesn't want to have his view fucked up too. Can steam engine power generators replace all coal fired power plants tomorrow? OF COURSE NOT. We can't just stop doing what we know how to do and HOPE that something better comes along before the country is destroyed. You people live in fucking fantasy land where vehicles run on "hope" and light bulbs glow to the chant of "change".
Drilling will take 10 years to harvest? Ok, let's say it does. How much longer do you imagine we will need oil? Even if every one of Oblahma's crackpipe... oops I mean crackpot fantasies came true, we will STILL NEED OIL. Oil is used for more than just gasoline, it's used for THOUSANDS of products. So we have a choice, in ten years we can be harvesting our own oil, or we can still be importing it from overseas. And you know what, I don't give a flying fuck if drilling doesn't drop the price at the pump a penny EVER. At least it will slow the transfer of wealth from here to Saudi Arabia.
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By tropicaltoadAugust 26, 2008 - 7:14pmtruly amazing
The self consistency in your delusions is right up there with the nuts that wear purple shoes, cut off their own nuts, and killed themselves.
I'm more than probably a bit older than you. I remember the oil and coal companies telling us that we'd have solar power in 10 years, and that we'd need oil and coal for the transition. Still using oil, just starting to use wind and solar. The reason? So many "concerned citizen groups" filed blocking suits. That was in the 70's. We had the tech BACK THEN to do the job.
Let's try a thought exercise. Let's use the well known prius hack that allows battery only use. Let's say we use steam power. For giggles and grins, let's imagine that we've retrofitted the current coal and oil power plants for solar. (Easy enough, as those power plants already use boilers. All we need is to scrap the burners and add the solar concentrators.) Time to change from the oil burner to the solar steamer? the time it takes to scrap the burners, and set up the mirror. Call it 1 year for a half-assed crew of high school drop-outs like you. Producing life of the solar mirrors? As long as the sun is still out there, shining away. In addition, a stack of mirrors is a lot cleaner and nicer to look at in comparison to the coal feed pile/slag pile set up.
Instead of building humongous windmills, we ought to be building micro-grids run by modular windmills. Some folks already have. Time to set it up? depends on your building method. Buying a basic home-owners power system from Real Goods will take the shipping time (roughly 2 months for cheap rates) and the actual set up (as short as 3 days, or as long as 1 year, depending on how lazy the builder is.)
We don't need oil for most non-fuel needs. We can make the butyrate and ethylene feedstocks from buffalo grass and from methane/methanol reactions.
So, once again...
your arguments are less than useful, and less than factual.
We CAN set up solar and wind systems, a piece at a time, with a 1 year lead time. We won't be messing up the local environment, we won't be barfing out more greenhouse gases, and we won't be beholden to to saudis. One year to energy independence. Of course, that assumes competence on the part of the local groups. Given that there are a few folks like you out there, I have to assume a longer lead time. Let's call it 5 years.
Do you get some sort of sick thrill from constantly being proved wrong? If so, I ought to start billing you.
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By wrenchboyAugust 26, 2008 - 7:47pmWait a minute...
Your co-whore-t (spelled that way on purpose), dee-dee-deeholmes stated that it's based on supply-and-demand. Now you're saying that the oil prices are rigged by the oil companies? Well, then I guess it doesn't matter about supply-and-demand if the oil companies set the prices instead of the market.
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By rafitch71August 26, 2008 - 12:32pmThis plan will result in
This plan will result in $8/gallon gas and widespread unemployment.
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By jumpingjackflashAugust 26, 2008 - 2:35pmAnd of course you have proof
right baby killer? No, you dont. You just heard it from the druggy. I have proof that the war you support that was based on lies has murdered thousands and thousands of babies. But that is what you want, right baby killer?
Funny how every neocon nutjob said that when Clinton raised taxes on the ultra wealthy and corporations that it would end up causing wide spread unemployment and ruin the economy. Instead it created 24 million jobs and paid off the Reagan deficit and left a huge surplus. Are you Republicans ever right about anything?
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By hufflarry2000August 26, 2008 - 2:47pmBaby Killer?????????????
Baby Killer????????????? That would be you abortionists!!!!!
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By bebeholmesAugust 28, 2008 - 8:16amBy beenexposedasaracist August 28, 2008 - 9:16am
Baby Killer?????????????
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By SJerseyIndyAugust 28, 2008 - 8:34amNice ass stat
The Bush plan has resulted in gas prices tripling over 7 years. The only thing that has brought them down is an election and reduced consumption.
As far as unemployment is concerned. Bush's net job growth over the last 7 years of less than 1% puts him in a league with Hoover and his dad. Dems are ALWAYS better on job creation.
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By gt6August 26, 2008 - 3:29pmA century's supply of oil from God...
Open Brian's face up for unlimited drilling!
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By LiberalIconoclastAugust 26, 2008 - 2:32amAh, gross!
Whale- oil is totally 19th century, dude.
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By thaelmann37August 26, 2008 - 11:20amEnergy Policy?
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Any policy won't be decided by Republicans or Democrats, but rather by scientists and engineers.
Notice how McCain keeps talking about oil as if he knows where it is. Oh, year, that's right, IT'S OFFSHORE!!!!
Neither Dems or Repubs have shown any type of serious energy policy beyond wind mills and "let's drill everywhere".
You won't get anything serious out of McCain. Listen to him tell those ridiculous stories about knowing people that never had any education but became "millionaires". Do the engineers that design cars and trucks have an education? Does the doctors he goes to have an education? If you don't need to go to college to become "a millionaire", then why does anyone go? Why do they allow their kids to go? Why all the debt?
McCain didn't need to go to school because he married a hundred million dollars. No wonder he divorced Quasimodo. Add the fact that he graduated 5th from the bottom out of 899 Cadets, it's no wonder he only has contempt for the educated.
If McCain is elected president, he will leave this country exactly the same way he left the Forrestal.
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By deanrddAugust 26, 2008 - 3:17pm