Veep Stakes

By Booman Tribune

Patrick Healy of the New York Times opens with:

No power brokers in the Democratic Party are openly campaigning for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as their vice-presidential nominee this year, and even Mrs. Clinton’s closest aides have stopped talking her up. Yet privately, some Democrats continue to see her as exactly the partner that Senator Barack Obama needs.

So he's going to write a whole column about it. I've said it before, but Michelle Obama has already exercised veto-power over the selection of Hillary Clinton and the Obama campaign enshrined that decision into iron-clad law by hiring Patti Solis Doyle to head up the Veep-pick's staff. Doyle was fired from the Clinton campaign and as far as I know they are not on speaking terms. But that's no reason not to write piece after piece after piece about how 'some Democrats' really want Clinton to be on the ticket.

It looks like a toss-up right now between Biden and Kaine. Given that choice, I have a slight preference for Kaine. I've always liked Joe Biden, but he's too risky for me and I don't agree with him on some major foreign policy issues. Kaine is a better fit for Obama's brand and he'll help in Virginia, which could be a decisive state. I'm not thrilled with Kaine, either, but I prefer him to Bayh. I still am holding out hope for Jack Reed or Kathleen Sebelius. I'd be psyched about either one of them. Kaine and Biden would be just okay. Bayh would annoy the crap out of me. But maybe there will be a big surprise.


Comments

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Are Obama people Really democrats?

"Indeed, a recent New York Times/CBS News poll of convention delegates found that 28 percent preferred Mrs. Clinton for vice president — by far the largest bloc supporting a candidate. (More than a third offered no opinion; 6 in 10 of Clinton-pledged delegates wanted her, but only 3 percent of Obama delegates named her.)"
Boo,
Why do Obama supporters hate Cinton?

Don't they know anything about politics and that Hillary provides his best chance of getting a democratic mandate in the fall that Obama needs to fight off the republican'ts and their corporate media talking heads..

I like Biden much more than I like Bill or Hillary , but he can not provide the political punch that Obama requires to overcome his shortcomings.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109456/Gender-Gap-Among-White-Voters-Bigger-N...

Again, I believe with Hillary on the ticket, she can get 50-55% of the critical white female demo.

If I am right, we will have the political mandate to reverse the errors of the current adminstration and hold those accountable for their failings if not crimes.
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The Obamacons do not care

if they win. Most of them are not true Dems. This is all about destroying Hillary and her half of the party. They have an irrational, seething hatred of her. Of course, all they have done is split the party and ensured their candidate's defeat and their influence in the party. If Hillary is not chosen as VP, she will be back as strong as ever and will be the leader of the party after the defeat in Nov.

You're obsessive-compulsive. Get help.

Billary = LOSER.

while (horse == dead) { beat(horse) ; }

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Her Best Option

"If Hillary is not chosen as VP, she will be back as strong as ever "
Huff,
I have to disagree with you on that point. You see, hillary didn't lose to Obama, like most national democrats, she lost to the corporate media.

Since the Obama success proves that having the corporate media on your side is more important than what you did for the party or nation, I don't she hillary doing anything over the next 4 years to improve her media preception thus her chances of winning the nomination or election.

The VP slot is Hillary's best option for the white house and history proves that anyone that loose the nomination or election has little chance of bouncing back.

Especially on the democratic side.

In short, Mitt or Huck has a far better chance of getting the open republican't nomination in 2012 than Hillary has in winning the democratic prize.

She should take the VP slot because she cannot recover from her failure to get the nomination this year with all that she had going for her.
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Wrong

Adlai Stevenson lost the elction in 1952 was renominated in 56, Reagan lost the nomination many times and was elected president, Kennedy lost the nomination in 56 was elected pres, Nixon lost to Kennedy was elected in 68, Daddy Bush lost nomination to Reagan was elected pres, Gore lost nomination in 88 was nominated in 2000 and elected president.

Not Bad!!!

Huff,
Pretty good!!
"Adlai Stevenson lost the elction in 1952 was renominated in 56"
Yes but he really didn't have a chance in beating Ike.

"Reagan lost the nomination many times and was elected president"
Oh you are too young to remember the events of that primary. Many in the party believed he could have beaten carter in 76 and Reagan won strong support by stepping down to open the door in 1980.
Also, Bush was the early choice of the republicans in the 1980 primary and Reagan just took the nomination like he took the mike on stage.

"Kennedy lost the nomination in 56 was elected pres"
This is a good one because I forgot '56. I love Hillary as a person but you have to admit...she is NO Reagan and definately not another JFK.

"Nixon lost to Kennedy was elected in 68, Daddy Bush lost nomination to Reagan was elected pres",
Yeah, but I admitted republicans have a far better chance than democrats because of the corporate media.

"Gore lost nomination in 88 was nominated in 2000"
Yes, but he was an outstanding Vice President and hillary should follow his example.

"(Gore) and elected president.""
Now I have to admit that you are right!!!
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I remember the election of 1976

quite well. Reagan had lost a close primary to a sitting president and no one had a problem putting his name in nomination.

'76

Huff,
Do you think he could have beaten Carter in 1976 if the republicans selected Reagan?
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No, not at all

Reagan was considered a right wing nut. Carter would have won big. Carter would have beat him in 1980 except for the hostage crisis.

By hufflarry2000August 19, 2008 - 3:22pm

Obamacons

You Hillary supporters started the name calling when your candidate started to lose. You couldn't stand it that she wasn't being handed the nomination that was in your opinion hers for the taking. The "Obamacon" crap started and that's what pissed me off. Especially when it was thrown at people that weren't necessarily strong Obama supporters but rather anti-Hillary. It was at that point in the primary season that I decided Hillary supporters were obnoxious and worth every bit of taunting I could dish out.

That's why I enjoy telling you now that I will never vote for Hillary. As a matter of fact I will probably be living in NY in 2012. I will enjoy getting behind a challenger for her senate seat then. She will have to make some hard choices at that point should Obama lose in 2008. Does she go for the presidency or the senate seat? She might lose either way so it probably doesn't matter.

You have to be Kidding.

"You Hillary supporters started the name calling when your candidate started to lose."
FUB2,
That's baby stuff compared to the classic republican primary battles of 1976, 1980,1988, and 2000.

However, the pubs put those things behind them and started preparing for the national election.

Can't we'all just get along!!
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By KvnRJohnso407August 19, 2008 - 5:33pm

That's baby stuff compared to the classic republican primary battles of 1976, 1980,1988, and 2000.

Uhh - I'm talking about our little community on this board. I originally thought the Obama supporters were being a little tough and I spoke against them a few times. But then the Hillary supporters trotted out the names claiming everyone was "worshipping" Obama. Then I noticed this was wide spread beyond this board.

I really don't care about how it compares to the past. It pissed me off. Especially when I really wasn't an Obama supporter but the Hillary people decided if you chose him over her in the end you must be a cult follower of Obama.

So yes I have the right to be pissed if I want. I don't bring this shit up but when I see of these people still bitching I like to give it to them.

The Winner Is???

"That's why I enjoy telling you now that I will never vote for Hillary. As a matter of fact I will probably be living in NY in 2012. I will enjoy getting behind a challenger for her senate seat then."
FUB2,

Who do you hate more Hillary or GW Bush?

Please provide the winning margin.
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By KvnRJohnso407August 19, 2008 - 5:36pm

Hillary 2012?

I abstain.

As for Hillary vs. Bush I have to say the democratic party has more anger coming from me than Bush does. They have used our anger over Bush policy to win elections only to ignore the message and let us down.

Help

FUB2,
I am not debating you because you have the right hate any one you choose.

"As for Hillary vs. Bush I have to say the democratic party has more anger coming from me than Bush does."

I just want to be clear on this.

Are you saying that you now HATE the democrats and Hillary more than GW Bush.

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By KvnRJohnso407August 19, 2008 - 6:04pm

Do not misinterpret my anger at the democratic politicians, which is greater than my anger towards Bush, with hatred of liberal voters and ideas.

Help II

"They have used our anger over Bush policy to win elections only to ignore the message and let us down."
FUB2,
Again...I am not debating you but asking for clarification.

I am right with the following statement about your above comments.

1) You voted for dems in 2006 to go after bush.

2) You now blame those same dems you voted for in 2006 because they could not overcome the strong protective corporate media support of Bush and those lap dog republicans that turn their heads to all his failures and crimes.

Now you blame the dems and will not support them instead of working to get a democratic mandate in the fall that will run the bush loving dogs out of town.... and for some to the jail house.

Please let me know where I am wrong here!
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By KvnRJohnso407August 19, 2008 - 6:13pm

Nice spin.

The democratic politicians failed before and after 2006.

Is that a Yes

FUB2,
Are you confirming my note because it sounds like it.

With that comeback, I think you could run against Hillary in 2012.
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As a matter of fact

no one will take you Obamacons seriously after you turned a sure Dem victory into a massive defeat. Please back Hillary's challenger! (Like there will actually be one) It will only help her in whatever she chooses to do.

By hufflarry2000August 19, 2008 - 7:04pm

LMAO

Still dreaming?

Yo, dumbass, Huffliar. Now

Yo, dumbass, Huffliar. Now you are saying that Obama supporters are not true Democrats like you are. Not long ago you were saying that I wasn't a true conservative. That were were more of a conservative than me. Now which is it? Are you a coservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, or just a dumbass?

By bebeholmesAugust 20, 2008 - 11:01am

Don't worry bebe. You're a true cracker. You've always got that.

You are not a conservative or a christian.

You are a hate filled, racist, right wing extremist. You are the farthest thing from a conservative possible. I am a liberal and I am more conservative than you.

LOLOL...okay, now define

LOLOL...okay, now define racism.

Definition of racism

The most important thing in a stinkin crackers life; you

Interesting, but since, by Hillary's supporter's own statements,

half of all delegates are Hillary delegates, that means that nearly half of her OWN supporters don't want her as VP. So why do Hillary's own delegates hate her?

We dont hate her.

We dont want her to go down to defeat with Obama. We dont want her to be on a losing ticket.

Too late!

She's already ON a losing ticket: HER OWN!

while (horse == dead) { beat(horse) ; }

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

No one wants to play this childish game with you any more

SHE LOST, FAIR AND SQUARE, by rules that she and all the rest of the candidates agreed to before the primaries even started. If Obama loses, don't even worry about four years from now. McCain, your favored candidate, will have finished this country off for good, getting us into wars with Iran and Russia, putting right wing nutjobs on the Supreme Court to assure a permanent far right court that constantly rules for corporations and against individuals, and completing the utter destruction of the economy that Bush started.

Presidents do not put justices

on the supreme court, congress does. The last 2 right wing nuts confirmed to the court were CONFIRMED BY A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS. Learn your shit before you spout off to me.

Getting kind of touchy there huff

I guess backing a losing candidate that has the highest negatives will do that to you! LOL

By hufflarry2000August 19, 2008 - 3:50pm

I get all steamy when do the Constitution.

You sir/ma'am are complete

You sir/ma'am are complete moron.
September 29, 2005 -John Roberts assumes role as Chief Justice.
January 31, 2006 -Samuel Alito assumes role on court
January 7, 2007 -Democrats assume a majority role in congress.
As you see it is physically impossible for a "Dem Congress" to have CONFIRMED their appointment. Did Democrats vote to confirm, most certainly, and they are douchebags- but they did NOT control congress. As a matter of fact they didn't even have enough members to block the confirmation.
BTW the President does APPOINT the prospective judges, congress merely confirms the appointment.

In closing I think name calling is childish, but you have earned this one in the fact thet you arrived so blsutery with your comment, with an air of self importance, when you had no clue what you were babbling about.
Try reading before responding....and add a pinch of "thinking" in between the two.

You are a moron

the Dems could have blocked the nomination, they did not. So my statement is correct, the DEM congress confirmed both justices. The president cannot appoint ANY justice without confirmation by the senate.

I do not think name calling is childish especially to an arrogant know it all like yourself. Next time, read my post before you make a fool of yourself.

By caspere1August 20, 2008 - 6:19am

There is a thing called a filibuster.

Not So Fast

"that means that nearly half of her OWN supporters don't want her as VP.:",
Uff,
According to the poll she tops everyone. I can't except your point until either she or the media indicate that they she wants the VP slot.

I truly believe her numbers with her own delegates will go up to 100% if she did declared her interest in the position.

The question is, what would happen to the 3 out of 10 obama supporters.

However, you must understand, people do not campaign for the VP slot.

Therefore, if Hillary wasn't interested in the slot VP she should have released her delegates as soon as possible. It should have been done months ago if she indeed does not want the slot.

It's silly for her to go the convention and force a vote just for show.
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As I have stated repeatedly, I think she would be a bad choice

for VP, and if she truly wants to advance issues that are important to her, such as healthcare reform, the VP slot is the LAST place she should want to go. Instead, move for the Senate leadership position that Harry Reid is failing so miserably at right now.

I am all for her supporters pushing for a big floor fight at the convention. It would be a fitting end for someone whose arrogance and sense of entitlement, along with poor campaign management skills cost her the position she has wanted for so long.

That's my opinion. I am sure you will disagree, and it will send huff into an apoplectic frenzy, but it is the way I feel.

Disagree

"for VP, and if she truly wants to advance issues that are important to her, such as healthcare reform, the VP slot is the LAST place she should want to go. "
Uff,
Like I told you yesterday when you made this point, there is noway you can make that statement unless you know the structure of an Obama White House.

Do you?
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By KvnRJohnso407August 19, 2008 - 4:32pm

"there is noway you can make that statement unless you know the structure of an Obama White House."
Nope, just blind hope he'll run the Executive Branch like George H. W. Bush did.

You do realize the Clinton plot to kill Obama is going to be revealed in the Inquirer the day before Obama's acceptance speech, don't you?

Great Doctor Making Midnight rounds!!

"You do realize the Clinton plot to kill Obama is going to be revealed in the Inquirer the day before Obama's acceptance speech, don't you?"
Dr.,
Wouldn't it be better for hillary to wait until after they are sworn in where she will move directly into the Presidential slot.

I don't know what would happen to the process if the nominee for some reason couldn't make it to election day?

For that matter, if the plot exist, why wait for the nomination?

I know you are joking .....some people will do anything for a laugh!! :-)
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We Agree!!!

"I am all for her supporters pushing for a big floor fight at the convention. It would be a fitting end for someone whose arrogance and sense of entitlement"
Uff,
A floor domstration is silly because it would confirm your point which would not help her in 2012.

A floor demonstration is only needed if she wants to prevent Obama from winning the nomination and opened the door for Gore.

I am a Gore supporter and was expecting this floor fight that back in Oct 07 when most of the so-called experts were giving the white house to Hillary or the long forgotten Rudy.

If she was going to do that, she should have never dropped out of the race.

I believe Gore could unite the party and move on to a great victory in the fall, but if hillary wants the VP slot why take that chance.

I hope Obama is not caught up in his corporate media glow and do a better job of seeing down the track thus not repeating the mistake of that saturday debate where McSame played him like a drum.
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Thanks

Uff,
Thanks for providing real points on why hillary should not be the VP choice.
It much better than get hate notes.
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So why do Hillary's own delegates hate her?

This is why I miss Vestibule.

Three word review.

You can't print that.

Disagree Again

"Instead, move for the Senate leadership position that Harry Reid is failing so miserably at right now. "
Uff,
Hillary's strength in the in the Senate was solely due to the fact that many believed that she was on the fast track to the white house.

With that gone, she would be less effective than John Kerry who at least won the nomination.

The fact is, She and Her Husband couldn't convince enough senators or congressmen to back her over some kid that McSame played like a fool in that brokeback church event.

The clintons are only effective when they have power and not when they are trying to obtain it.
Unless, they are lucky enough to have a strong third party candidate in the race.
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It's hard to tell the difference sometimes.

The Hillary fanatics (not all of her voters but the die hard fans) and the republicans are very similar. To tell them apart I take a coin and scratch their forehead.

You know people confuse the message with the person

Most of us who were against Hillary saw her as the pick of the DLC. This organization has given us such weak candidates in the past. The have refused to challenge the republicans in all states. And they often appear to be pandering to the same people and corporations that the republicans do.

Hillary really sickened us (along with many dems) for her vote on the Iraq war and subsequent vote giving Bush more power concerning Iran. Her supporters have spun it so many ways. They point to funding and Obama's vote on that. Well what good is it if the dems don't have solidarity. Without it anyone voting against is a target for "hate the troops arguments". Then they point to Obama and say he would have not made his speech had he been a US senator. And then they point to some cases where Obama has not been progressive on some issues.

Well if you are trying to send a message Obama is your only choice of the two. As long as you chose him and made it clear that the votes by Hillary turned you off then it is this issue and not the individual that you are voting for. Yes Obama is not perfect to many of us. And the answer to that is to take some support away and move it to favor other candidates in the future who oppose him on certain issues. That is how the game works. The politicians have to be held accountable or they don't listen to the voter.

We need to be very clear as a group of voters that we disapprove of Iraq, and the poor job the congress has done. We need to keep giving support to people who voice this same disapproval so that it is clear it still matters to us. There was no way to support Hillary and look serious in our anger over Bush war for oil profits.

What

"No power brokers in the Democratic Party are openly campaigning for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as their vice-presidential nominee this year"
Boo,
That would be an insult to Obama.

The last thing you want is the appearence that Obama is being forced to take any VP running mate.

The decision is Obama's and his alone.
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Got too much money in your pocket?

Just Liberally apply a dose of ObamaKaine.

That'll take care of your middle-class lifestyle.

Why work for yourself and for your family when you can work for the government's insatiable appetite.

ObamaKaine - prepared to ruin the United States in 8 years or less.

Good One!

Just Liberally apply a dose of ObamaKaine

to take care of that middle-class lifestyle.

Now that's a good one!

Got your Rosetta Stone course in Mandarin yet?

Jukebox Johnny will continue Cowboy-hat Oathbreaker's pogroms and we'll wind up having to speak it in order to do business with our new owners.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

You are finally Right about something

"ObamaKaine - prepared to ruin the United States in 8 years or less."
Its,
They will indeed accomplish that task if they continue the policies of your buddies Bush/Chenney.

However, why should they do that because McSame will accomplish the above task in two years if elected and that's why you plan on voting for him.

Proving after two years that the terrorist did WIN!!!!
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This is why

I wanted John Edwards(of course, who knew besides his wife).
It's tragically unfortunate but true that an african american candidate brings out the bigotry and a woman brings out the sexism. Plus, Sen. Clinton is, well a Clinton(did I mention that republics HATE them?). As it stands now it looks as though we have Sen. Obama (that is why we say presumptive) and frankly from what I've seen he is the best possible candidate (race aside which of course, we know it isn't). He is in fact the kind of candidate we always say that we want. How sad it would be if once again, we failed to recognize this on our way to November.

Say What!

"african american candidate brings out the bigotry "
just,
Surely you are not implying that the clintons are racist right?

If you are, provide facts to support your position.
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of course not

Pres Bill was, after all our 1st black pres.
I'm saying check out all the bloviating in the MSM and bloggosphere. Particularly the use of the words presumptuous, radical and muslim (not there's anything wrong w/that!). The right will motivate and mobilize the bigots ALL OVER THE COUNTRY w/these and other code words.

What's yoru advice.

"The right will motivate and mobilize the bigots ALL OVER THE COUNTRY w/these and other code words."
Just,
I don't know if you read my Gallup Poll link that I had in the first post.

I suggest Obama to select Hillary to help with the problem you identified above.

What would you suggest he do?
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>WRONG< You forget -negative

>WRONG<

You forget -negative ads-. The reason (as a New Yorker) Hillary Clinton lost my support is the completely unpleasant manner in which she attacked and belittled her opponant. Is that "the way" politics is run? Probably - but I can not support someone who does it to someone with an almost identical plan for service to this country. Save that to be used (and hopefully NEVER) against those whose programs would do harm- those from opposing, not similar, platforms.

So, back to negative ads...
Candidates run these ads because no one really votes FOR a candidate. They vote against the other one. That is why 90% of Americans are either voting against Bush-style Republicans, or they are voting against the secret Muslim, black guy. So it it stands that the Republicans will utilize rascism to defeat a candidate, why provide the added target of sexism as well? Provide for TWO groups of people to encourage republicans to turn out and express their hatred for.

This is not to say that a running mate, -or candidate for that matter- should be chosen out of fear, personally I think Hillary's persona - along with that of her husband- carry far too large a shadow and would innapropriatly eclipse most any other office holder that they would be serving UNDER. I think that they would even steal the spotlight from Gore. This would make Obama's job a lame duck from day one.

University won't open Obama-related records

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzhxdkuecq3l3HWnAFXwQfQrQyLgD92LICD80

Full disclosure is always a good thing – unless it involves a Democratic candidate.

Come on, BLObama. Let’s see your past.

Afraid that the rest of the voters will see that you are, in fact, an America hater?

“Obama – the judgment to earn being called a traitor”

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 6:15pm

America Hater?

What are you 12?

I don't know what else to call

a person who listened to and absorbed what the Rev. Wright was spewing for 20 years.

You have to figure that if BLObama had been a bit older, he would have helped Wm. Ayers bomb American targets.

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 6:28pm

Yep. the mind of a child.

Is this the best you got?

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 6:28pm

I seem to recall you hate gays. Yet you never bitch about Bush having a gay prostitute in the white house. Do you approve?

Stop feeding the troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

Question for you, ISO: Does

Question for you, ISO: Does America, by and through it's elected officials, never make a mistake or a bad policy? Has America never done anything wrong?

And if you conceed that America has made some poor decisions in the past, is it wrong to criticize those poor decisions made by our politicians in the name of this Country?

As I see it, the good in America FAR outweighs the bad, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize those poor decisions and policies when we see them.

And the fact is, America HAS had some very poor policies with respect to minorities and African Americans specifically. So if Wright wants to say "God damn America" for those policies, I see nothing wrong with that. You must be one of those "My country, right or wrong" idiots. If everybody just blindly accepted when this country was on the wrong path, it would never improve.

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

Why did McCain collaborate with the enemy

while he was a prisoner in Vietnam? Why did the other prisoners call him "songbird"? You support a traitor to America, not the Dems. Now try to prove me wrong, you lying lil sissy.

Well bless your heart itso!!!

I may have said this before....
If we were to put your brain in a bumble bee, the damn thing would fly backwards.

The Obama Macain Decusion & Hillary for V. Presudent

1> On the Obama & Macain discusion, Obama score 100, I dont know where this so-called reveren stated Obama scored a double??, Macain didn't even get a hit!,except for an error that he might have gotton on 1st base.Obama's answer's were very clear and thoutht out, wher-as Macain was shooting from the hip- He did make a fair point about the Energy program, but that was only by an Error he got on 1st base, He didn't say anything that Obama hasn't been saying for the last 6-month's. Obama made it all the way Home.

2> Obama needs Clinton as a V. Presedent, she knows what she is doing in Polatics, she would be a very great asset to him and this country.

Thank you for letting me express my opinions

John Cortez

HIllary - NO Thanks

I am 49 year old single white mom., supposedly part of the group most likely to have voted for Hillary, but I would never vote for her. I would really hate it if Obama chose her for VP.

The two main reasons why I wouldn't vote for Hillary is she let Big Medical Insurance squelch her plans for Universal Medicine when she was first lady, then she has continued to take lots and lots of money from them. Not only did she not try to beat them... she joined them. The second reason is she was on the board of Walmart. Walmart is the poster child for worker abuse, low wage abuse, discrimination against women, and orchestrating a system that forces working people to live without health care and need government subsidies while they themselves make more money than God. They should put pictures of the Walton family in the dictionary next to "greed". The Walmart model is what is breaking the backs of working people in this country and there's Hillary on their damn board. Those are all the reasons anyone needs to know why she didn't get elected to run for president and she shouldn't be VP.

Besides, it's no secret that she will be looking to run against Obama when he goes for a second term. He could never trust her and he knows it.

Really

"The two main reasons why I wouldn't vote for Hillary is she let Big Medical Insurance squelch her plans for Universal Medicine when she was first lady"
Tex,
I didn't like hillary's plan in 92-93 and don't care for her Health care plan now.

However, I don't like Obama's Health Care plan either.

But one thing is clear, both of them will do a much better job on health care than a Bush/McSame adminstration.

It just don't sound like a reason to not support Hillary's VP selection when you campare her with bush and the republican't...there must be more.

It's it as simple as you just HATE Hillary?
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I don't think VP matters all

I don't think VP matters all that much. I wanted him to pick Robert Reich, but that isn't going to happen. I like Joe Biden, I might even have voted for him in the primary if he had stuck around long enough. Hillary is better off in the Senate where she can inherit Ted Kennedy's position as the press' favorite spokesman for all things Democrat.

Obama's got a problem.

He has to choose an Emptier Empty suit than he is.

Maybe he'll pick one of you losers off this blog.

ObamaKaine - the choice of a new generation of losers.

Why do you support McCain

when he collaborated with the enemy while a prisoner in Vietnam? He committed treason. I know why! You are a treasonous anti american piece of garbage like McCain is.

You've really injured me

with that one, Flarry. Have you put up your "Obama" sign in your front yard? (I'll bet not, they won't let you back into the VFW if you do.)

Let's hear some of BLObama's war stories.

Did he get a purple heart the night his nose started bleeding after a dozen or so lines of coke?

What a doper

Obama - the judgment to need to hide his past to make himself appear acceptable to the American people.

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 7:37pm

Seriously - is this the best you have?

On the issues you have nothing. I guess that is why you resort to this crap.

Did he get a purple heart the night his nose started bleeding after a dozen or so lines of coke?

-Are you talking about Bush?

They don't dare resort to the issues

...because Jukebox Johnny keeps changing his tune on the issues. But what can anyone expect from someone who graduated fifth from the bottom of his class?

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

IMMEDIATLY Stop feeding the

IMMEDIATLY
Stop feeding the GodDamn troll.
He is a sad and lonely man who's only enjoyment is being irritating and evoking hate and anger. Stop giving it to him. He adds nothing to this discussion -nor ANY discussion for that matter- and only prevents you from engaging in any honest and forthright discussion.
Most everyone here is ostensibly contributing to this discussion because we want to see America get back to greatness...trols just want to watch something -ANYTHING- blow up and burn.

Don't feed them.